Byron Scott, Lakers Head Coach Under Fire
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The 2015-2016 Los Angeles Lakers season hasn’t gotten off to the start that most were hoping for. With a relatively easy schedule early on, most figured that the team would be able to get a few confidence-boosting wins under their belt. That hasn’t happened and the record stands at a dismal 1-7, with their lone victory coming against the floundering Brooklyn Nets.

Still, the prevailing thought heading into the season was that patience would be needed for this Lakers team, with nine new faces (including Julius Randle) to integrate, most of them young players with little NBA experience. Fans would need to ride out the roller coaster while an inexperienced talent like Randle and D’Angelo Russell got their sea legs under them. It wouldn’t be easy, but there is some joy in watching a player develop, in building something from the ground up knowing that it can become great someday.

Yet, in spite of these lowered expectations, a vocal majority of Lakers fans are calling for head coach Byron Scott’s head. An uncomfortable murmur has been steadily building in the Lakers legion of supporters and now just eight games into the 82-game season, it has reached a boiling point.

There are plenty of reasons to be frustrated with Scott. He played Kobe Bryant way too many minutes last season, which helped exacerbate the high-mileage on his body and may have been a contributing factor in Bryant’s season-ending shoulder injury. This season, Scott has said he is “fine” with Kobe’s shot selection, even though every metric available screams that he shouldn’t be.

His rotations have also been head-scratchers, with the failed Brandon Bass/Ryan Kelly small-ball frontcourt experiment coming across like a half-hearted attempt at modernization. Scott’s draconian training camp and practice sessions have also come under fire, seemingly ignoring the importance rest has in limiting an athlete’s risk of injury.

Scott’s insistence that his team just needs to “man up” and that they are “soft” rather than admit any fault with the X’s and O’s is also a bad look that doesn’t do much to win the confidence of the fans or his players.

However, as troubling as all of that may be, the main reason for the backlash against Byron Scott hasn’t had anything to do with Kobe, the backup bigs, or whether or not the team needs to man up like Arnold Cunningham.

No, it has been Scott’s handling of the prized rookie that has got him into hot water. Specifically, Scott’s refusal to play Russell in the fourth quarter has been frustrating, especially when rookies like Emmanuel Mudiay, Jahlil Okafor, Kristaps Porzingis, and Karl-Anthony Towns have been thrust into the spotlight. Their success has made Russell’s struggles to find minutes that much more noticeable. Somehow, the No. 2 pick hasn’t made it to the party, and most blame Scott for it.

Currently, Russell has played in the final frame in only five of the possible eight games and when he has played, he has seen an average of just 5.4 minutes of action. While it’s true that the young guard hasn’t quite shown himself to be ready for major minutes, the consensus is that he hasn’t been given the right environment or opportunities that he needs to thrive. At least that’s the hope anyway, because considering that Russell simply isn’t quite as good as we thought, at least not right out of the gate, is a disturbing one.

Keep in mind that Russell, to Lakers fans, means everything. He is the prize for last season’s futility, and his development (along with Randle and Jordan Clarkson) will ultimately determine how quickly the beloved franchise is able to right itself. With Kobe Bryant all but admitting this season will be his last, the Lakers faithful are anxious to anoint a new king, and that has created an environment where every play Russell makes, good or bad, will be magnified. Fair or not, that’s the reality of a Lakers team that is desperate to find an heir to Bryant’s throne.

With that being the case, Lakers fans were optimistically hoping to see two things this season: The development of the young players and victories.

In a perfect world, the team would find a way to simultaneously develop their young core and win games, but that’s a thin line to walk. Fans would understand benching Russell during the fourth if it resulted in wins. Victories have been few and far between recently, and proving that they are a threat to win on any given night would do wonders for the Lakers reputation with free agents. Winning means positive press, happy fans, and free tacos — all good things.

However, fans would also be thrilled if the team was committing to building the future by giving Russell the keys to the kingdom and letting him learn from his mistakes. Even if it cost them wins, the logic behind building the future through the young players is solid, and let’s not forget the possibility that the Lakers could retain their top three protected pick in the 2016 Draft. Moving forward with a more seasoned Russell, Clarkson, and Randle along with (potentially) a tasty top three draft pick is certainly appealing as well.

Unfortunately, currently Scott and the Lakers are neither winning games nor committing to the future. It’s far too early for panic, but for an emotionally frayed fan base, Scott’s handcuffing of Russell has poured salt into the wound of every loss. It’s not fun watching the Lakers get their teeth kicked in night after night, but if the future is being built then the much-needed balm of progress (and with it, hope) would help to ease the pain. To most who understand the rigors of building an NBA team, losing while letting the young players learn serves a purpose. Losing with veterans on the floor simply prolongs the misery.

Adding to the frustration, Russell himself has acknowledged multiple times that he isn’t sure what he needs to do in order to get on the court in crunch time. Following a difficult loss to Miami, Russell was asked if Byron had explained it to him. When Russell said “no,” it brought the anger of Lakers fans (and pundits around the league) to a crescendo. From the outside looking in, it appears that Scott is actively stifling Russell’s development, which is a capital offense on a rebuilding team.

This wasn’t the scenario that most expected, even with Scott’s penchant for making his young players “earn” their minutes. Jordan Clarkson didn’t see much floor time until January last season, but as the No. 2 pick, it was expected that Byron would give him all the minutes he could handle, although some would argue that he has done just that.

Heading into the season, it appeared that Scott would be a strong tutor for Russell, as he had success in developing Clarkson, Kyrie Irving, and Chris Paul in prior years, and also coached Jason Kidd to the NBA Finals during his days with the Nets.

For his part, Scott claims that he is doing what he can to develop Russell without overwhelming him. Before taking on the Orlando Magic on Wednesday, Scott said, “I’m not going to throw him to the wolves just because he is the No. 2 pick. I’m not going to put him out there to put him out there. If I do that and he’s not prepared and he’s not learning, then I’m preparing him to fail. I’m not going to do that. I think this kid is too valuable to us.”

Of course, this comes on the heels of the massive backlash against Scott’s handling of Russell, and the protective comments are a marked departure from his typical hard-nosed, walk-it-off attitude. Still, Scott’s words led to action, and Russell played 31 minutes against the Magic, by far a season-high. He also posted the best numbers of his young career with 14 points, six rebounds, three assists, one steal and one block. More importantly, Russell looked comfortable on the floor, and appeared to be having fun for the first time in purple and gold. Perhaps something was said behind the scenes, but he played as though he knew he wouldn’t get benched for making a mistake or two.

Even better, with the ball in his hands during crunch time, Russell was steady and clearly relished the opportunity to display his skills.

That doesn’t mean Scott is in the clear though, nor has he gained the trust of Lakers fans. It’s going to take more than one game for that, even if that game was something of an olive branch to Russell’s supporters. In terms of building the Lakers future, Scott still left much to be desired. Unbelievably, Russell’s minutes came at the expense of Jordan Clarkson, who took D’Angelo’s spot on the bench in the fourth quarter while veteran guard Lou Williams attempted to close out the game. One step forward, one step back.

For now, all fans can do is hope that there is method to the madness, and that ultimately D’Angelo Russell will live up to his draft status. Whether or not Byron Scott will be around long enough to see it happen isn’t clear, but he has his work cut out for him with just one win in seven games, youth to develop, and a growing army of detractors.

darn I glimpsed at the headline and I thought scott got fired

  • I think BS handling of Russell hasn’t been the issue this article makes it out to be. I am happy with his minutes and I agree with BS that Russell has to earn more.

    I think it is Kobe that is the most frustrating part. BS is enabling Kobe playing him big minutes again this year and allowing too many shots from him. LAL need the young core to be more involved and Kobe needs to facilitate that involvement. BS needs to do a better job of managing Kobe’s role in the offense.

  • I think BS handling of Russell hasn’t been the issue this article makes it out to be. I am happy with his minutes and I agree with BS that Russell has to earn more.

    I think it is Kobe that is the most frustrating part. BS is enabling Kobe playing him big minutes again this year and allowing too many shots from him. LAL need the young core to be more involved and Kobe needs to facilitate that involvement. BS needs to do a better job of managing Kobe’s role in the offense.

  • He won’t officially be “under fire” until the FO makes a statement expressing confidence in him or that there will be no “foreseeable” changes.

    At this point, it’s just fans whining, and the Lakers have proven that they’re willing to let fans whine.

  • He won’t officially be “under fire” until the FO makes a statement expressing confidence in him or that there will be no “foreseeable” changes.

    At this point, it’s just fans whining, and the Lakers have proven that they’re willing to let fans whine.

  • It’s not going to happen this year. It would look extremely bad to fire BS imo, and that would just mean Mark Madsen would be the interm HC for the rest of the season. That’s not something that would improve the situation.

    I think they should stick with BS until they find the coach that they can move forward with long term. For instance Luke Walton is looking very good. Why not wait until we are ready for him to be our HC.

  • It’s not going to happen this year. It would look extremely bad to fire BS imo, and that would just mean Mark Madsen would be the interm HC for the rest of the season. That’s not something that would improve the situation.

    I think they should stick with BS until they find the coach that they can move forward with long term. For instance Luke Walton is looking very good. Why not wait until we are ready for him to be our HC.

  • Agreed and, honestly, I don’t think it would be a good idea….give him a chance to right the ship and make a decision in the off-season.

  • Agreed and, honestly, I don’t think it would be a good idea….give him a chance to right the ship and make a decision in the off-season.

  • The real problem is that they drafted Russell when they already had a very similar guard in Clarkson. The should had drafted Okafur to play center, then Kobe would be at his natural position of shooting guard, and they could start Bass at power forward taking pressure off of Randle to get more rebounds. Hibbert, at best, is a back-up center. Buss and Kupchak blew the draft.

  • The real problem is that they drafted Russell when they already had a very similar guard in Clarkson. The should had drafted Okafur to play center, then Kobe would be at his natural position of shooting guard, and they could start Bass at power forward taking pressure off of Randle to get more rebounds. Hibbert, at best, is a back-up center. Buss and Kupchak blew the draft.

  • Best written article I’ve seen on here in a long time. Funny though how so many people who endorsed this pick are now backing out (Scott). But they definitely need to focus on a better systems….How can a team that talks about defense and toughness be so bad rebounding and defense…it doesn’t take much to make team rebounding a focus…or a focus of making 5 passes with ball reversals to move the defense…hell maybe a few misdirections…If they are going for a top 3 pick they are doing a great job smh

  • Best written article I’ve seen on here in a long time. Funny though how so many people who endorsed this pick are now backing out (Scott). But they definitely need to focus on a better systems….How can a team that talks about defense and toughness be so bad rebounding and defense…it doesn’t take much to make team rebounding a focus…or a focus of making 5 passes with ball reversals to move the defense…hell maybe a few misdirections…If they are going for a top 3 pick they are doing a great job smh

  • Clarkson is a fast, attacking slasher who can drive and kick whereas Russell has better handles and an outside shot. They are polar opposites who should compliment each other.

  • Clarkson is a fast, attacking slasher who can drive and kick whereas Russell has better handles and an outside shot. They are polar opposites who should compliment each other.

  • I’ve been a big critic of Scott as well for most of reasons mentioned above, but a change now would be foolish. Let him finish the season — if he can’t fix the fixable issues (can’t do a thing about the roster) then cut ties and move on.

  • I’ve been a big critic of Scott as well for most of reasons mentioned above, but a change now would be foolish. Let him finish the season — if he can’t fix the fixable issues (can’t do a thing about the roster) then cut ties and move on.

  • in theory yes. JC’s aggression should be utilized as a PG and DR exclusive perimeter game should be a SG. But they have it backwards. DR kills the clock on the perimeter and passes to JC on the arc and mandates him to shoot the 3. Both playing opposite of their strength.

  • in theory yes. JC’s aggression should be utilized as a PG and DR exclusive perimeter game should be a SG. But they have it backwards. DR kills the clock on the perimeter and passes to JC on the arc and mandates him to shoot the 3. Both playing opposite of their strength.

  • what is even funnier is BS is “known” as a defensive coach but the last 5 seasons he has coached in the league his teams were bottom 5 in defense lol.

  • what is even funnier is BS is “known” as a defensive coach but the last 5 seasons he has coached in the league his teams were bottom 5 in defense lol.

  • Trev – Stupid . . . Stupid . . . your grade for this article?. . . ” F ”

    Why? Your Article “heavy” overtones of distaste for Coach Byron . . . Trevor= “F”

    Not “All” Laker fans feel like You . . . . Where did You go for Journalism School?

  • Trev – Stupid . . . Stupid . . . your grade for this article?. . . ” F ”

    Why? Your Article “heavy” overtones of distaste for Coach Byron . . . Trevor= “F”

    Not “All” Laker fans feel like You . . . . Where did You go for Journalism School?

  • OMG Bass and Okafor as front line. If anything Hib/Okafor takes some pressure of the kid like Noel is doing.

  • OMG Bass and Okafor as front line. If anything Hib/Okafor takes some pressure of the kid like Noel is doing.

  • I’d argue that “clock-killing” is a reflection of the offensive scheme..or lack thereof and not any one player.

  • I’d argue that “clock-killing” is a reflection of the offensive scheme..or lack thereof and not any one player.

  • I’m asserting that when JC has the ball he doesn’t kill the clock. Neither does Lou or Huertas.

  • I’m asserting that when JC has the ball he doesn’t kill the clock. Neither does Lou or Huertas.

  • Agree to disagree. The last possession against Orlando was a perfect example of clock-killing by Lou. We’ve also seen him make some very questionable decisions with the ball when it’s not crunch-time, which is why I prefer him at the #2 and not the #1.

  • Agree to disagree. The last possession against Orlando was a perfect example of clock-killing by Lou. We’ve also seen him make some very questionable decisions with the ball when it’s not crunch-time, which is why I prefer him at the #2 and not the #1.

  • Fire Scott right now this bullshit of waiting it out means the end of Bryant’s career here and Scott AINT WORTH IT it was a poor decision to dump Nixon for him and it’s a worse decision to make him coach. Fire him NOW

  • Fire Scott right now this bullshit of waiting it out means the end of Bryant’s career here and Scott AINT WORTH IT it was a poor decision to dump Nixon for him and it’s a worse decision to make him coach. Fire him NOW

  • you mean clock killing as a mean to give your opponent the least time for their final possession. Is that the one? Shame on Lou.

  • you mean clock killing as a mean to give your opponent the least time for their final possession. Is that the one? Shame on Lou.

  • No, I mean waving off the play called by Scott to go one-on-one and then not getting a good look and missing the rim entirely as a result. Scott defended Williams, so, like I said, “agree to disagree”.

  • They should have grabbed Rondo who wanted to come and play for us. That was a no brainer because most of us knew what we ere gonna get in Rondo. Others did what they often do and that is let the media perception of the player they thought Rondo was become their reality.

    Russell is just gonna take more time to get into sink with the team and the pro game.

    But I still think the team is better than they are playing. And I think they very well could have been 3-5 or better by now. Especially if the coach would have inserted MWP and Larry Nance Jr. at the start of the season.

    You need as many players with “heart” in the lineup as possible. Because those type of players make things happen while others stand around wondering or complaining about what happened.

    Lets go out there and get the victory tonight. Winning curse all ills !

    Go Lakers !

    Paytc

  • I should probably also clarify: I see both Clarkson and Russell advancing the ball up court, depending on the situation but think Russell is a little better in the half-court because he can thread the needle where Clarkson can’t.

  • No, I mean waving off the play called by Scott to go one-on-one and then not getting a good look and missing the rim entirely as a result. Scott defended Williams, so, like I said, “agree to disagree”.

  • They should have grabbed Rondo who wanted to come and play for us. That was a no brainer because most of us knew what we ere gonna get in Rondo. Others did what they often do and that is let the media perception of the player they thought Rondo was become their reality.

    Russell is just gonna take more time to get into sink with the team and the pro game. He’s 19 and this whole team was just slapped together. None of these players are used to playing with each other.

    But I still think the team is better than they are playing. And I think they very well could have been 3-5 or better by now. Especially if the coach would have inserted MWP and Larry Nance Jr. at the start of the season.

    You need as many players with “heart” in the lineup as possible. Because those type of players make things happen while others stand around wondering or complaining about what happened.

    Lets go out there and get the victory tonight. Winning cures all ills !

    Go Lakers !

    Paytc

  • I should probably also clarify: I see both Clarkson and Russell advancing the ball up court, depending on the situation but think Russell is a little better in the half-court because he can thread the needle where Clarkson can’t. I agree, though, that when Clarkson has the ball, Russell should be the spot-up shooter…he’s doing a better job at getting into an open spot but still needs more work.

  • Mr. Lane – Your First Assumption, way off target, in this article (sic)

    First, Mitch made selection: Pick D’Angelo Russell

    Trevor Lane Assumption: D’Angelo was Correct Pick – 98% of NBA say Mitch is / was Wrong

    Trevor Lane Assumption: “All” Laker Fans, think D’Angelo is “Prized” Rookie – No. Not All Fans agree.

    Coach Byron is handling Mitch pick, Correctly – Keep Rookie minutes low, to Develop (however, D League offers High “Starting Five” minutes, up to 48 Minutes) No Other Coach would Play Rookies this Many Minutes

    Against NBA (Grown / Physical Men), Coach Scott is Trying to win Games, plus get D’Angelo minutes – If Play Developmental D’Angelo 31 min, Lakes Lose.

    Coach must Play Veterans Majority of Minutes for Win

  • We can’t we will start to win multiple games in soon. They are learning fast

  • Mr. Lane – Your First Assumption, way off target, in this article (sic)

    First, Mitch made selection: Pick D’Angelo Russell

    Trevor Lane Assumption: D’Angelo was Correct Pick – 98% of NBA say Mitch is / was Wrong

    Trevor Lane Assumption: “All” Laker Fans, think D’Angelo is “Prized” Rookie – No. Not All Fans agree.

    Coach Byron is handling Mitch pick, Correctly – Keep Rookie minutes low, to Develop (however, D League offers High “Starting Five” minutes, up to 48 Minutes) No Other Coach would Play Rookies this Many Minutes

    Against NBA (Grown / Physical Men), Coach Scott is Trying to win Games, plus get D’Angelo minutes – If Play Developmental D’Angelo 31 min, Lakes Lose.

    Coach must Play Veterans Majority of Minutes for Win

  • We can’t we will start to win multiple games in soon. They are learning fast

  • I agree Byron has to go but it just doesn’t make sense to fire him now unless you are going to put an assistant in as interim for the rest of the season. All the good coaches will be available after the year. Let Madsen get some head coaching experience and tell him to play the young guys.

  • I agree Byron has to go but it just doesn’t make sense to fire him now unless you are going to put an assistant in as interim for the rest of the season. All the good coaches will be available after the year. Let Madsen get some head coaching experience and tell him to play the young guys.

  • Man, you are like the “Kobe haters”, but with D’angelo. The problem with the team is not just Kobe Bryant, and is also not just D’angelo.
    The main problem is our defense rebound right now. This kill us almost every game…
    And btw, D’angelo is the best rebounder of our PG’s, or even our guards. So. What you say don’t have any sense

  • Man, you are like the “Kobe haters”, but with D’angelo. The problem with the team is not just Kobe Bryant, and is also not just D’angelo.
    The main problem is our defense rebound right now. This kill us almost every game…
    And btw, D’angelo is the best rebounder of our PG’s, or even our guards. So. What you say don’t have any sense

  • With all this Fire Byron talk. Name another Coach who would #1 want the Job. #2 make any difference in their play. This is a young team lacking talent. Their going to lose games. I dont care who’s coaching. Stop crying over Russell playing time. Believe me he’s going to log so many minute this season he going to beg for a night off. All this have patients with Russell, well the same should go for Byron. He’s got 9 new guys on this team. Mostly rookies. Russell got his 4th qtr minutes in the Miami game. All this crying to fire Byron just to hire someone else who the fans will want to be fired.

  • With all this Fire Byron talk. Name another Coach who would #1 want the Job. #2 make any difference in their play. This is a young team lacking talent. Their going to lose games. I dont care who’s coaching. Stop crying over Russell playing time. Believe me he’s going to log so many minute this season he going to beg for a night off. All this have patients with Russell, well the same should go for Byron. He’s got 9 new guys on this team. Mostly rookies. Russell got his 4th qtr minutes in the Miami game. All this crying to fire Byron just to hire someone else who the fans will want to be fired.

  • The funny thing is b4 the season started alot here thinks this current squad is built to win and compete for a playoff spot without thinking that we have lots of newcomers and rookies who haven’t played together not to mention an aging kobe and a clueless coach

  • I wonder if Mad Dog really wants to coach? He seems more interested in player development.

    Still, I want to see new blood too.

  • Exactly Who can you bring in 8 games into the season. With no training camp to implement his system.

  • The funny thing is b4 the season started alot here thinks this current squad is built to win and compete for a playoff spot without thinking that we have lots of newcomers and rookies who haven’t played together not to mention an aging kobe and a clueless coach

  • I wonder if Mad Dog really wants to coach? He seems more interested in player development.

    Still, I want to see new blood too.

  • Exactly Who can you bring in 8 games into the season. With no training camp to implement his system.

  • yea he played him 31 minutes and they lost at the buzzer. the other games he has played him less and not in the 4th we have been blown out. so what is the difference. we should have Russel out there taking his licks so he gets more comfortable faster.

  • yea he played him 31 minutes and they lost at the buzzer. the other games he has played him less and not in the 4th we have been blown out. so what is the difference. we should have Russel out there taking his licks so he gets more comfortable faster.

  • I had other Laker fans get upset at me when i said this year was a development year and the Lakers wouldn’t win games. Now those same fans are mad at Byron for trying to win over development.

  • I had other Laker fans get upset at me when i said this year was a development year and the Lakers wouldn’t win games. Now those same fans are mad at Byron for trying to win over development.

  • Remember when MBrown got fired? Bernie B, took the interim spot and they won 4 and barely lost the 5th, if my memory is correct. They messed that up by not having him finish the season and hiring No D antoni.
    In Orlando, the Lakers had that game and for some reason choked worse than Mama Cass on a ham sandwich.
    If they were showing some signs of a pulse, like 3-5, I’d say yeah let’s not euthanize him yet, but at 1-7 and that win against an anemic Nets, it’s time to give him the MBrown treatment and let Kobe be Player/Coach in the interim. :/
    Something’s gotta happen. How about when the smoke clears…
    We get Scott B and not B Scott.
    They won’t have to change the letterhead too much.

  • Remember when MBrown got fired? Bernie B, took the interim spot and they won 4 and barely lost the 5th, if my memory is correct. They messed that up by not having him finish the season and hiring No D antoni.
    In Orlando, the Lakers had that game and for some reason choked worse than Mama Cass on a ham sandwich.
    If they were showing some signs of a pulse, like 3-5, I’d say yeah let’s not euthanize him yet, but at 1-7 and that win against an anemic Nets, it’s time to give him the MBrown treatment and let Kobe be Player/Coach in the interim. :/
    Something’s gotta happen. How about when the smoke clears…
    We get Scott B and not B Scott.
    They won’t have to change the letterhead too much.

  • I also agree to disagree because your assertion that Lou waved of Scott has not been established. Worthy said the play was for Lou to take the last shot. Even so, 10ish secs to do work from the half court line isn’t really killing clock. What happened to the other 14ish secs when the ball wasn’t in his hand.

  • I also agree to disagree because your assertion that Lou waved of Scott has not been established. Worthy said the play was for Lou to take the last shot. Even so, 10ish secs to do work from the half court line isn’t really killing clock. What happened to the other 14ish secs when the ball wasn’t in his hand.

  • If he doesn’t you can bring up Casey Owens from the Defenders. I saw this suggested on SS&R. He is also into Analytics.

  • If he doesn’t you can bring up Casey Owens from the Defenders. I saw this suggested on SS&R. He is also into Analytics.

  • Scott said in an interview he wanted hibbert to screen for lou but lou called off hibbert.

  • B Scott did say that the play was for Lou to run off a high screen with Hibbert and he waived him off because he felt he didn’t need a screen, and then he threw up an airball. If he would’ve at least hit the rim we would’ve went to overtime. That’s 2 last second, game wining shots that Lou has blown in as many attempts. I’d say someone else takes the game winning shot next time.

  • Scott said in an interview he wanted hibbert to screen for lou but lou called off hibbert.

  • B Scott did say that the play was for Lou to run off a high screen with Hibbert and he waived him off because he felt he didn’t need a screen, and then he threw up an airball. If he would’ve at least hit the rim we would’ve went to overtime. That’s 2 last second, game wining shots that Lou has blown in as many attempts. I’d say someone else takes the game winning shot next time.

  • Since the call was for PnR, I’m assuming the other 14ish secs was also part of the same play, which is why I go back to scheme or lack thereof. That said, I think we’re splitting hairs at this point, the Lakers are just a young team with a few roster holes. It’s gonna be a long season.

  • Since the call was for PnR, I’m assuming the other 14ish secs was also part of the same play, which is why I go back to scheme or lack thereof. That said, I think we’re splitting hairs at this point, the Lakers are just a young team with a few roster holes. It’s gonna be a long season.

  • Analytics is what got us into this mess. The Analytics said Russell could be the biggest star or biggest bust. But the common eye ball test told you that Okafor would be at least a solid player with upside potential.

  • I’m not familiar with him, but sure….keep it in the family. Luke Walton will probably be a hot prospect and I’m also intrigued by Becky Hammond (although I think it’s still a little early for her…maybe 2-3 more seasons).

  • Analytics is what got us into this mess. The Analytics said Russell could be the biggest star or biggest bust. But the common eye ball test told you that Okafor would be at least a solid player with upside potential.

  • I’m not familiar with him, but sure….keep it in the family. Luke Walton will probably be a hot prospect and I’m also intrigued by Becky Hammond (although I think it’s still a little early for her…maybe 2-3 more seasons).

  • Is there anyone here that still believes the Lakers should have taken Russell over Okafor?

  • Is there anyone here that still believes the Lakers should have taken Russell over Okafor?

  • I would rather have either one of those as well but i don’t think you can get either one to be interim head coach they would have to wait until this summer because they are under contract with there teams and their teams can refuse and interview for them.

  • That doesn’t mean Hibbert was going to take the last shot. It took Lou 3 secs to get to the spot where Hibbert’s was going to set the screen. Hibbert could only set a screen and be useless in a roll. So that leaves 2 players on Lou if he was to take the shot in short clock (6 secs)
    If anything Lou over-rid a bad call.

  • I would rather have either one of those as well but i don’t think you can get either one to be interim head coach they would have to wait until this summer because they are under contract with there teams and their teams can refuse and interview for them.

  • That doesn’t mean Hibbert was going to take the last shot. It took Lou 3 secs to get to the spot where Hibbert’s was going to set the screen. Hibbert could only set a screen and be useless in a roll. So that leaves 2 players on Lou if he was to take the shot in short clock (6 secs)
    If anything Lou over-rid a bad call.

  • These so called fans just find anything to give Russell flack

  • Don’t blame that on analytics they had multiple workouts for both players and they went with Russell. Look up the stats on Okafor’s defense and how bad his team is defensively while he’s on the floor. Thats probably why the lakers didn’t want to pair him with randle who is also not a great defender yet.

  • These so called fans just find anything to give Russell flack

  • Don’t blame that on analytics they had multiple workouts for both players and they went with Russell. Look up the stats on Okafor’s defense and how bad his team is defensively while he’s on the floor. Thats probably why the lakers didn’t want to pair him with randle who is also not a great defender yet.

  • absolutely — unless Scott has lost the team (and I don’t think he has), it makes no sense to fire him now.

  • Relevant. In According to this Horribly written article, which is talking of how Russell is not being used by Scott

  • absolutely — unless Scott has lost the team (and I don’t think he has), it makes no sense to fire him now.

  • Relevant. In According to this Horribly written article, which is talking of how Russell is not being used by Scott

  • Well true but would we still be saying fire Byron if the Lakers took Okafor averaging 20 pt a game on 50 % shooting and he not as bad on D as the Lakers we’re lead to believe. I’m just saying the fans are all over Byron for not playing this Kid when his play hasn’t even warrant extra minutes in the 4th. Okafor plays like he want to play in the 4th. That’s all I’m saying.

  • Byron Scott strikes me as about as inspiring as a soiled diaper, and has the personality of a wet blanket. When free agency rolls around next season, because likely there will be no draft pick to help boost the roster going forward, attracting some assets will be crucial. So when the free agents are making their decisions, you bet one of them will be – ‘do I want to play for Byron Scott?’. A man who has absolutely no problem calling players out in the media, whose basketball philosophy is stuck in the 80’s with an emphasis on monotonous suicide drills and ‘playing hard’ despite today’s NBA where one can breathe on James Harden and send him to the line. Also what appears to be pre-planned rotation policies and complete lack of in-game situational awareness. I’m going to bet they go with a coach who is more astute with how today’s NBA works. The Lakers should absolutely fire this bum and hire a coach who interviews very well with their thoughts and ideas for the FUTURE, and not just go hire some guy because of what he did in the past.

  • So you’d prefer an article about how Okafor would have been used if he had been drafted instead? Like I said, the Lakers have Russell. It is what it is.

  • Well true but would we still be saying fire Byron if the Lakers took Okafor averaging 20 pt a game on 50 % shooting and he not as bad on D as the Lakers we’re lead to believe. I’m just saying the fans are all over Byron for not playing this Kid when his play hasn’t even warrant extra minutes in the 4th. Okafor plays like he want to play in the 4th. That’s all I’m saying.

  • Byron Scott strikes me as about as inspiring as a soiled diaper, and has the personality of a wet blanket. When free agency rolls around next season, because likely there will be no draft pick to help boost the roster going forward, attracting some assets will be crucial. So when the free agents are making their decisions, you bet one of them will be – ‘do I want to play for Byron Scott?’. A man who has absolutely no problem calling players out in the media, whose basketball philosophy is stuck in the 80’s with an emphasis on monotonous suicide drills and ‘playing hard’ despite today’s NBA where one can breathe on James Harden and send him to the line. Also what appears to be pre-planned rotation policies and complete lack of in-game situational awareness. I’m going to bet they go with a coach who is more astute with how today’s NBA works. The Lakers should absolutely fire this bum and hire a coach who interviews very well with their thoughts and ideas for the FUTURE, and not just go hire some guy because of what he did in the past.

  • So you’d prefer an article about how Okafor would have been used if he had been drafted instead? Like I said, the Lakers have Russell. It is what it is.

  • I think your right at this point we are too far in the hole to make it look like a productive season so let him ride out this year. At the trade deadline Strip the roster of everybody over age of 25 besides metta and kobe if he is still healthy and just let the young guys run.

  • I think the Jury’s still out on that. Okafor is Beasting right now for a rookie.

  • I think your right at this point we are too far in the hole to make it look like a productive season so let him ride out this year. At the trade deadline Strip the roster of everybody over age of 25 besides metta and kobe if he is still healthy and just let the young guys run.

  • I think the Jury’s still out on that. Okafor is Beasting right now for a rookie.

  • No. I’d prefer to have an Author, who is not so biased, against Scott, and an Author who is not Pro Mitch

    Author Article could have written on a Myriad of Pro Lakers topics

  • No. I’d prefer to have an Author, who is not so biased, against Scott, and an Author who is not Pro Mitch

    Author Article could have written on a Myriad of Pro Lakers topics

  • So the Lakers could be 0-8 instead of 1-7? What’s the difference exactly?

  • the sixers are also running everything through him and he is pretty polished as a player so his ceiling might not be much higher. but yes he is playing good but that was expected by everyone.

  • If you watch the games closely he steals rebounds from his own teammates. I’ve seen him and randle both do it several times from hibbert and the other bigs they will probably grow out of this with time. Clarkson did it last year as well.

  • So the Lakers could be 0-8 instead of 1-7? What’s the difference exactly?

  • the sixers are also running everything through him and he is pretty polished as a player so his ceiling might not be much higher. but yes he is playing good but that was expected by everyone.

  • If you watch the games closely he steals rebounds from his own teammates. I’ve seen him and randle both do it several times from hibbert and the other bigs they will probably grow out of this with time. Clarkson did it last year as well.

  • How do you know that? You think Byron Scott will play him 30 plus minutes a game and allow him to take 20 plus shots a night?

  • you think because he is scoring 20 a game on the sixers he would do that here? you think byropn would run everything through him like they are in philly? lol you are delusional.

  • How do you know that? You think Byron Scott will play him 30 plus minutes a game and allow him to take 20 plus shots a night?

  • you think because he is scoring 20 a game on the sixers he would do that here? you think byropn would run everything through him like they are in philly? lol you are delusional.

  • And all Indications are pointing to, Okafor being a better Athlete who is NBA ready, vs a D’Angelo who is not NBA ready, at least for six years from now

  • Why wouldn’t he play Okafor. He plays with aggression. Something that Russell lacks.

  • And all Indications are pointing to, Okafor being a better Athlete who is NBA ready, vs a D’Angelo who is not NBA ready, at least for six years from now

  • Why wouldn’t he play Okafor. He plays with aggression. Something that Russell lacks.

  • He was a know scorer in College. Why would Scott not run the offense through him.

  • He was a know scorer in College. Why would Scott not run the offense through him.

  • and if you notice lou started to go too early when the clock was at 7 seconds then saw that and had to reset the play and then got rushed. that was a bad play by lou

  • Well written article and one of the best we’ve seen on LN in a long time.

    Thanks for the read.

  • I didn’t see any lack of aggression from Russell last game, he made two critical defensive plays to keep the Lakers in the game down the stretch and got to the hoop 3 times, despite all the Okafor fanboys clamoring that he was ‘too slow to do that’.

  • and if you notice lou started to go too early when the clock was at 7 seconds then saw that and had to reset the play and then got rushed. that was a bad play by lou

  • Well written article and one of the best we’ve seen on LN in a long time.

    Thanks for the read.

  • I didn’t see any lack of aggression from Russell last game, he made two critical defensive plays to keep the Lakers in the game down the stretch and got to the hoop 3 times, despite all the Okafor fanboys clamoring that he was ‘too slow to do that’.

  • Last game he showed a little something but he still not pushing the ball. He walks it up every time. He has to be more consistent with his aggression if he wants playing time.

  • Are you Slow? You disputed the fact that lou will changed the play call on the floor when clearly he did. Hibbert was supposed to come set a pick but lou waived him off and took the guy on 1v1.

    Nobody said that hibbert was going to take the last shot.

  • Last game he showed a little something but he still not pushing the ball. He walks it up every time. He has to be more consistent with his aggression if he wants playing time.

  • Are you Slow? You disputed the fact that lou will changed the play call on the floor when clearly he did. Hibbert was supposed to come set a pick but lou waived him off and took the guy on 1v1.

    Nobody said that hibbert was going to take the last shot.

  • Russel is way more talented. Will be a better player down the line, no doubt

  • Look i understand you’re on some Scott bashing right now and that’s fine. But this is the same coach who too the nets to the finals twice. So i would say he knows a lot more than any of us on here.

  • Bc you do realize Okafor would be averaging less with Kobe and Lou and Swaggy next to him

  • Russel is way more talented. Will be a better player down the line, no doubt

  • Look i understand you’re on some Scott bashing right now and that’s fine. But this is the same coach who too the nets to the finals twice. So i would say he knows a lot more than any of us on here.

  • What you are neglecting is that the 76’rs are defensively 17pts worse with Okafor on the floor. So what he brings in offense he gives right back on the defensive end.

  • What you are neglecting is that the 76’rs are defensively 17pts worse with Okafor on the floor. So what he brings in offense he gives right back on the defensive end.

  • No I’m saying the fans wouldn’t be so upset if he had a rookie who was doing something.

  • Your entire argument is predicated on the premise that the team loses its draft pick and that there are free agents to attract.

    In fact, outside of a lebron and durant, the next off season doesn’t have much to offer. Because of the mega cap increase and lack of talent it will see a lot of second tier guys get overpaid and sink the finances of teams willing to overpay.

    As of today, we should look at one of the top 3 draft choices more than overpriced free agents.

  • and that nets team was super talented and he didnt have to really do any developing at all. totally different scenario and wasn’t that like 15 years ago? lol look at his last 5 years coaching. his teams were in the bottom 5 in defense in the league.

  • No I’m saying the fans wouldn’t be so upset if he had a rookie who was doing something.

  • Your entire argument is predicated on the premise that the team loses its draft pick and that there are free agents to attract.

    In fact, outside of a lebron and durant, the next off season doesn’t have much to offer. Because of the mega cap increase and lack of talent it will see a lot of second tier guys get overpaid and sink the finances of teams willing to overpay.

    As of today, we should look at one of the top 3 draft choices more than overpriced free agents.

  • and that nets team was super talented and he didnt have to really do any developing at all. totally different scenario and wasn’t that like 15 years ago? lol look at his last 5 years coaching. his teams were in the bottom 5 in defense in the league.

  • And the Laker are what defensively this year? I rather have a 20 pt scorer and be bad defensively.

  • Trash. Yes Trevor Lane has spewed Trash.

    Trash talk’n by Lane – plain an simple

    Too Bias, for my liking

  • And the Laker are what defensively this year? I rather have a 20 pt scorer and be bad defensively.

  • Trash. Yes Trevor Lane has spewed Trash.

    Trash talk’n by Lane – plain an simple

    Too Bias, for my liking

  • I dont see that. He hasn’t shown anything that points to that being the case.

  • I dont see that. He hasn’t shown anything that points to that being the case.

  • I have to agree — FA is a bit of a fool’s gold because so few elite players change teams via FA. You’d be better served using it to acquire role players (who aren’t nearly as selective, they just want to get P A I D) and trying to get your alphas via the draft or trade.

  • I have to agree — FA is a bit of a fool’s gold because so few elite players change teams via FA. You’d be better served using it to acquire role players (who aren’t nearly as selective, they just want to get P A I D) and trying to get your alphas via the draft or trade.

  • you think our defense is bad now okafor without noel on the floor is allowing 57 pts in the paint per 48 mins so basically everygame we play would be like the sacramento game.

  • you think our defense is bad now okafor without noel on the floor is allowing 57 pts in the paint per 48 mins so basically everygame we play would be like the sacramento game.

  • i never said he should be fired right now. I just said his schemes are terrible. if you can argue they aren’t then you probably haven’t been watching his rotations or stagnant ball moving on offense. no coach is going to save this season. scott doesn’t even know you need to call a time out with 8 seconds left and you have the ball down by 1 lol. every coach knows that. so for you to think scott would have used Okafor right then you might wanna re-think that.

  • i never said he should be fired right now. I just said his schemes are terrible. if you can argue they aren’t then you probably haven’t been watching his rotations or stagnant ball moving on offense. no coach is going to save this season. scott doesn’t even know you need to call a time out with 8 seconds left and you have the ball down by 1 lol. every coach knows that. so for you to think scott would have used Okafor right then you might wanna re-think that.

  • Lakers are 29th worst 6rs are 28th. Like i said if we have to be bad on D. I rather have Okafor.

  • Fact is the 6rs are still better on D than we are. Not by much but their better.

  • Coach Byron Stays . . . Stop the Hate

    Players have been given Ample Time, environment to Produce / Shine if they Had the ability too

  • Lakers are 29th worst 6rs are 28th. Like i said if we have to be bad on D. I rather have Okafor.

  • Fact is the 6rs are still better on D than we are. Not by much but their better.

  • Coach Byron Stays . . . Stop the Hate

    Players have been given Ample Time, environment to Produce / Shine if they Had the ability too

  • I’m certainly disappointed with the start but it’s a process. Comments:

    * Only Kupchak and the Buss family have the right to fire Scott. It’s not up to the press or the fans.

    * Scott picked up the coaching bug from Larry Brown during his Pacers stint thus you have an old school mentality of NOT playing rookies. Scott has a reason for keeping Russell’s minutes in check. It’s his call.

    * Despite the above statement, YES I am surprised that Scott does not adhere to stats and metrics. The shooting percentages and efficiency ratings of certain players needs to be analyzed and factored into the rotational decisions.

    * Clearly the lakers considered the state of the game before the draft. No hand checking, kick and shoot, guards running wild, etc. That’s why they picked Russell. He has things that cannot be taught like court vision, passing, movement, and great shooting. Teams game plan for PERIMETER players like Curry, Wade, Lebron, Durant, Westbrook, and The Beard. Not 4s and 5s (does any laker fan miss Dwight Howard? Does anyone recall who played center for the Heat team that went to four finals in a row and what were his stats?). That’s why they drafted Russell and that’s why they’ll be very patient with his development.

    * I think the Lakers would be well served to define the positions for both Russell and Clarkson. Both have elements of 1 and 2 guard capabilities. Older players can usually adjust to playing more than one position because they have more experience- they’ve seen it all. But rookies and sophomores are still learning, still absorbing. With youth you need clear expectations.

    * The core of the Lakers is Randle, Clarkson, and Russell. We see glimpses… stay with it.

  • I’m certainly disappointed with the start but it’s a process. Comments:

    * Only Kupchak and the Buss family have the right to fire Scott. It’s not up to the press or the fans.

    * Scott picked up the coaching bug from Larry Brown during his Pacers stint thus you have an old school mentality of NOT playing rookies. Scott has a reason for keeping Russell’s minutes in check. It’s his call.

    * Despite the above statement, YES I am surprised that Scott does not adhere to stats and metrics. The shooting percentages and efficiency ratings of certain players needs to be analyzed and factored into the rotational decisions.

    * Clearly the lakers considered the state of the game before the draft. No hand checking, kick and shoot, guards running wild, etc. That’s why they picked Russell. He has things that cannot be taught like court vision, passing, movement, and great shooting. Teams game plan for PERIMETER players like Curry, Wade, Lebron, Durant, Westbrook, and The Beard. Not 4s and 5s (does any laker fan miss Dwight Howard? Does anyone recall who played center for the Heat team that went to four finals in a row and what were his stats?). That’s why they drafted Russell and that’s why they’ll be very patient with his development.

    * I think the Lakers would be well served to define the positions for both Russell and Clarkson. Both have elements of 1 and 2 guard capabilities. Older players can usually adjust to playing more than one position because they have more experience- they’ve seen it all. But rookies and sophomores are still learning, still absorbing. With youth you need clear expectations.

    * The core of the Lakers is Randle, Clarkson, and Russell. We see glimpses… stay with it.

  • Fact is we’re still favored over them in a matchup
    Fact is were one game better than them and in the west
    Not that that’s saying much

  • my point is scoring isn’t what were are missing. so if he came here we would still be scoring but even worse (if thats possible) on defense.

  • Well I’m talking to the fire Byron now crowd. No one can implement their system in the middle of an NBA season and succeed.

  • Fact is we’re still favored over them in a matchup
    Fact is were one game better than them and in the west
    Not that that’s saying much

  • my point is scoring isn’t what were are missing. so if he came here we would still be scoring but even worse (if thats possible) on defense.

  • Well I’m talking to the fire Byron now crowd. No one can implement their system in the middle of an NBA season and succeed.

  • alright. That’s a good retort. But don’t call me slow. I’m not D’angelo.

  • Mitch & Jim Buss gambled with D’angelo Idk whose idea it was but it seem smart at the time.. Lakers drafted the Russell cause that’s the player Sixers wanted. They were hoping Philly took the bait & offer Okafor + top 3 protected pick back to the Lakers for Russell. But then Embiid ruled out so Philly declined. The Center that was reported “Lakers had in their back pocket” was Roy Hibbert, Pacers & Lakers discussed that deal way before the draft & free agency. It would be either Rondo + Okafor or D’angelo + Hibbert. Drafting Russell was a ploy to get back the pick from Philly now we have to live with it. Russell will develop over time. His shots so clean 95% of his baskets are nothing but net.

  • agreed. but if they did fire byron that would leave a coach almost a full year to get to know his players and implement his system fullt next year. so there would be a small benefit if you look at it that way.

  • alright. That’s a good retort. But don’t call me slow. I’m not D’angelo.

  • Mitch & Jim Buss gambled with D’angelo Idk whose idea it was but it seem smart at the time.. Lakers drafted the Russell cause that’s the player Sixers wanted. They were hoping Philly took the bait & offer Okafor + top 3 protected pick back to the Lakers for Russell. But then Embiid ruled out so Philly declined. The Center that was reported “Lakers had in their back pocket” was Roy Hibbert, Pacers & Lakers discussed that deal way before the draft & free agency. It would be either Rondo + Okafor or D’angelo + Hibbert. Drafting Russell was a ploy to get back the pick from Philly now we have to live with it. Russell will develop over time. His shots so clean 95% of his baskets are nothing but net.

  • agreed. but if they did fire byron that would leave a coach almost a full year to get to know his players and implement his system fullt next year. so there would be a small benefit if you look at it that way.

  • As far as analytics go, the Rockets are one of the two teams most known for using them as a method of both building a team and winning. The Sixers are the other team. What has either done to prove that this is a winning method?

  • So Imagine where the Lakers would be with Clarkson Randle and Okafor in scoring. It would be high than 16th.

  • I can’t see the Lakers keeping their pick, the only way to basically be sure of keeping it would be for the Lakers to have the worst record in the NBA. If they finish second or third worst, in the last 6 years every single time one of those teams have been bumped out. You have to go back to 2009 to the last time a team with the worst record did not finish bottom 3. The Lakers will not have the worst record, the 76ers have that pretty much wrapped up.

  • As far as analytics go, the Rockets are one of the two teams most known for using them as a method of both building a team and winning. The Sixers are the other team. What has either done to prove that this is a winning method?

  • So Imagine where the Lakers would be with Clarkson Randle and Okafor in scoring. It would be higher than 16th.

  • I can’t see the Lakers keeping their pick, the only way to basically be sure of keeping it would be for the Lakers to have the worst record in the NBA. If they finish second or third worst, in the last 6 years every single time one of those teams have been bumped out. You have to go back to 2009 to the last time a team with the worst record did not finish bottom 3. The Lakers will not have the worst record, the 76ers have that pretty much wrapped up.

  • They have a guy named Nerlens Noel who is probably going to be a future DPOY. Also their D was better last year before Okafor came.

  • Clarkson has the best 3 point percentage on the team so far this year, he’s improved his outside shot, that’s what he worked on all summer.

  • All of that is useless both teams are losing. The fact is too this point Okafor is the better player. I think that will remain true. That’s all. As a laker fan i hope I’m wrong. But i dont see anything with Russell.

  • They have a guy named Nerlens Noel who is probably going to be a future DPOY. Also their D was better last year before Okafor came.

  • Clarkson has the best 3 point percentage on the team so far this year, he’s improved his outside shot, that’s what he worked on all summer.

  • All of that is useless both teams are losing. The fact is too this point Okafor is the better player. I think that will remain true. That’s all. As a laker fan i hope I’m wrong. But i dont see anything with Russell.

  • They won’t need to succeed, all they have to do is develop. It’s not like they are making a playoff push now, is it?

  • you can just look at his points and say those would be on top of what we have now. you have to think about who would not be getting shots because he needs a certain amount of shots to get that 20. Russel isn’t taking near as many shots as he is so who shots do we take away for that 20. you have to look at it realistically.

  • They won’t need to succeed, all they have to do is develop. It’s not like they are making a playoff push now, is it?

  • you can just look at his points and say those would be on top of what we have now. you have to think about who would not be getting shots because he needs a certain amount of shots to get that 20. Russel isn’t taking near as many shots as he is so who shots do we take away for that 20. you have to look at it realistically.

  • Ok 76’rs were ranked 12th last year in defense so by adding Okafor they Dropped 16 spots.

  • I don’t think you can look at that one stat in determining who has the better offense. That stat strictly speaks to average total point per game. Here is a good example of where the numbers don’t tell the whole story. It doesn’t account for the variance with teams played, the variance for players minutes, and the overall flow in which they maintain.

  • The Kids need to play no matter what the outcome is. The Glory days are over and now it is time to rebuild this team.

    The Elephant in the center of the room is the first round draft choice of the Lakers that will go to the 76ers. either this year or next. This puts the rebuild on hold a yeaar.

  • Ok 76’rs were ranked 12th last year in defense so by adding Okafor they Dropped 16 spots.

  • I don’t think you can look at that one stat in determining who has the better offense. That stat strictly speaks to average total point per game. Here is a good example of where the numbers don’t tell the whole story. It doesn’t account for the variance with teams played, the variance for players minutes, and the overall flow in which they maintain.

  • The Kids need to play no matter what the outcome is. The Glory days are over and now it is time to rebuild this team.

    The Elephant in the center of the room is the first round draft choice of the Lakers that will go to the 76ers. either this year or next. This puts the rebuild on hold a year.

  • Ok dude only time will tell who the better player will be. I hope I’m wrong about Russell. But i haven’t seen anything close that says this kid is going to be a star. Clarkson plays with more fire than him and he was the 24th overall.

  • You cannot call it a fact that okafor is the better player you are confusing facts and opinions.

  • Ok dude only time will tell who the better player will be. I hope I’m wrong about Russell. But i haven’t seen anything close that says this kid is going to be a star. Clarkson plays with more fire than him and he was the 24th overall.

  • You cannot call it a fact that okafor is the better player you are confusing facts and opinions.

  • For the record: I don’t have a problem with Williams taking the last shot, I’d just like to see more ball movement, which is where the whole scheme thing comes in.

  • i agree totally. it is irrelevant but some of us have hopes that Russel turns out to be a good player just like everyone who said harden and curry were busts in their first year. brandon jennings in the first year was labeled the best guard in that draft and now look at what is going on.

  • For the record: I don’t have a problem with Williams taking the last shot, I’d just like to see more ball movement, which is where the whole scheme thing comes in.

  • i agree totally. it is irrelevant but some of us have hopes that Russel turns out to be a good player just like everyone who said harden and curry were busts in their first year. brandon jennings in the first year was labeled the best guard in that draft and now look at what is going on.

  • The whole GSW small ball lineup came about from analytics and it seemed to work pretty dang well for them.

  • First, I don’t think it is a matter of who is better…Okafor or Russell. I think looking at it in that way is the worse way you can look at it. You have to look at the overall impact having the one would mean for the team versus the other and what that would result in for the team.

  • Just look at every young Rocket player they find from seemingly no where. There is your answer.

  • Ok so they dropped in D. There are other reasons for the drop off. Dont make it like it all on Okafor just to make a case that Russell is better. When the numbers say otherwise.

  • The whole GSW small ball lineup came about from analytics and it seemed to work pretty dang well for them.

  • First, I don’t think it is a matter of who is better…Okafor or Russell. I think looking at it in that way is the worse way you can look at it. You have to look at the overall impact having the one would mean for the team versus the other and what that would result in for the team.

  • Just look at every young Rocket player they find from seemingly no where. There is your answer.

  • Ok so they dropped in D. There are other reasons for the drop off. Dont make it like it all on Okafor just to make a case that Russell is better. When the numbers say otherwise.

  • LOL….it’s not that simple. If Okafor was the only difference to last year, perhaps you could say that…also considering you would need to wait a full season to compare correctly. However, they have had other changes and it hasn’t even been half a season.

  • LOL….it’s not that simple. If Okafor was the only difference to last year, perhaps you could say that…also considering you would need to wait a full season to compare correctly. However, they have had other changes and it hasn’t even been half a season.

  • 46th overall but i get your point. clarkson also spent 4 years in college and is more mature. just think of how people looked at harden and curry when they were drafted. everyone said the same things so I am hoping it is like that as well. in the end we want the best for our team so my fingers are crossed.

  • Yeah, I think when you watch Russell play, you see his momentum and rhythm disrupted by a micromanaging coach. The Lakers have logjams in the backcourt and in the front court, though. Oddly assembled roster. Logjams don’t promote development. Byron’s not the only one who should be taking heat for these early struggles. Byron Scott, Mitch Kupchak, Jim Buss, they share responsibility. So does Kobe. He doesn’t have the necessary lift that his release demands in order to consistently make perimeter shots, but instead of adapting, he’s banging his head against a wall and trying to shoot his way out of a slump. The arc on his shot is flat so that even when it’s on target, the ball sees less of the rim than it would if he had EVEN SLIGHTLY more arc on the ball. He just doesn’t have his legs anymore.

  • 46th overall but i get your point. clarkson also spent 4 years in college and is more mature. just think of how people looked at harden and curry when they were drafted. everyone said the same things so I am hoping it is like that as well. in the end we want the best for our team so my fingers are crossed.

  • Yeah, I think when you watch Russell play, you see his momentum and rhythm disrupted by a micromanaging coach. The Lakers have logjams in the backcourt and in the front court, though. Oddly assembled roster. Logjams don’t promote development. Byron’s not the only one who should be taking heat for these early struggles. Byron Scott, Mitch Kupchak, Jim Buss, they share responsibility. So does Kobe. He doesn’t have the necessary lift that his release demands in order to consistently make perimeter shots, but instead of adapting, he’s banging his head against a wall and trying to shoot his way out of a slump. The arc on his shot is flat so that even when it’s on target, the ball sees less of the rim than it would if he had EVEN SLIGHTLY more arc on the ball. He just doesn’t have his legs anymore.

  • I hate the Harden, Curry comparison. For each one of those guys who were successful after starting out slow. There are hundreds who weren’t successful and Russell can just as easily be one of them.

  • I’m just showing you that you have to look up all the numbers if you are just basing your argument off of PPG then yes okafor is currently better if you look at the whole picture then Okafor’s stats are cringe worthy. Untill both of them play for a successful team its a dumb argument because great stats and staying home in the playoffs makes you an unsuccessful player.

  • I hate the Harden, Curry comparison. For each one of those guys who were successful after starting out slow. There are hundreds who weren’t successful and Russell can just as easily be one of them.

  • I’m just showing you that you have to look up all the numbers if you are just basing your argument off of PPG then yes okafor is currently better if you look at the whole picture then Okafor’s stats are cringe worthy. Untill both of them play for a successful team its a dumb argument because great stats and staying home in the playoffs makes you an unsuccessful player.

  • It shouldn’t take analytics for them to know that the guys they have could win. I saw it without analytics.

  • Thanks for the correction.

    I hate the Harden, Curry comparison. For each one of those guys who were
    successful after starting out slow. There are hundreds who weren’t
    successful and Russell can just as easily be one of them.

  • i agree i am just hoping this is one of those situations. lol it helps me be optimistic for the future hahaha

  • It shouldn’t take analytics for them to know that the guys they have could win. I saw it without analytics.

  • Thanks for the correction.

    I hate the Harden, Curry comparison. For each one of those guys who were
    successful after starting out slow. There are hundreds who weren’t
    successful and Russell can just as easily be one of them.

  • i agree i am just hoping this is one of those situations. lol it helps me be optimistic for the future hahaha

  • No its pretty simple when you look at the points he is allowing in the paint it clearly shows. Along with the fact that he has had the lowest or second lowest individual defensive ratings in 5 of the first 7 games It is safe to say he is hurting them.

  • That’s actually not how that stuff works. Teams don’t normally draft a guy that they want to trade not already have a trade in place. The Lakers knew they wouldn’t trade Russell to the Sixers when they drafted him.

  • No its pretty simple when you look at the points he is allowing in the paint it clearly shows. Along with the fact that he has had the lowest or second lowest individual defensive ratings in 5 of the first 7 games It is safe to say he is hurting them.

  • That’s actually not how that stuff works. Teams don’t normally draft a guy that they want to trade not already have a trade in place. The Lakers knew they wouldn’t trade Russell to the Sixers when they drafted him.

  • Just have some patience, when have the Lakers drafted poorly in the lottery? Randle seems the real deal, Bynum, Eddie Jones, Worthy, Magic. George Lynch would probably be the only failure a 12th pick so that’s more hit and miss.

  • well i cant answer that because i have not been in contact with any coaches. i do know that coaches like to work with young guys and mold them the way they want so my answer is who knows but i would definitely feel some coaches out if i were the FO.

  • They hedged their bets on a big free agent splash. But that means that they’re non-committal on guys like Randle, Russell, and Clarkson. Which is reasonably understandable, but IF they landed Durant, for instance, what does that do to the 3 young Lakers’ careers? Durant is a big mouth to feed. I don’t think they actually consider team chemistry or an effective system, I think they just look at the “names”. And so when Jim Buss says things like “anyone can scout a basketball player”, it seems even more disconcerting that they have logjams in the frontcourt and in the backcourt. A bad, inefficient team is, I think, probably 40% on Byron Scott. The other 60% is split between Jim Buss and Mitch Kupchak. They need to fire everybody…

  • Just have some patience, when have the Lakers drafted poorly in the lottery? Randle seems the real deal, Bynum, Eddie Jones, Worthy, Magic. George Lynch would probably be the only failure a 12th pick so that’s more hit and miss.

  • well i cant answer that because i have not been in contact with any coaches. i do know that coaches like to work with young guys and mold them the way they want so my answer is who knows but i would definitely feel some coaches out if i were the FO.

  • They hedged their bets on a big free agent splash. But that means that they’re non-committal on guys like Randle, Russell, and Clarkson. Which is reasonably understandable, but IF they landed Durant, for instance, what does that do to the 3 young Lakers’ careers? Durant is a big mouth to feed. I don’t think they actually consider team chemistry or an effective system, I think they just look at the “names”. And so when Jim Buss says things like “anyone can scout a basketball player”, it seems even more disconcerting that they have logjams in the frontcourt and in the backcourt. A bad, inefficient team is, I think, probably 40% on Byron Scott. The other 60% is split between Jim Buss and Mitch Kupchak. They need to fire everybody…

  • so let me get this straight while mark jackson was coaching the warriors you were saying the need to sit bogut down and play draymond green at the 5.

  • Winning games, yes. The real question you should be asking is…are the Lakers winning as many games?

  • so let me get this straight while mark jackson was coaching the warriors you were saying the need to sit bogut down and play draymond green at the 5.

  • Winning games, yes. The real question you should be asking is…are the Lakers winning as many games?

  • Your first statement is the key that people are missing. It is fun to suggest possible replacements, but we have no idea the feasibility in it.

  • Kobe’s missed two straight, and the team is no better without him. Russell’s momentum and rhythm is disrupted by an overbearing, micromanaging Byron Scott whose roster, as assembled by Jim Buss and Mitch Kupchak, is basically one giant logjam.

  • they lost to the champions last year i don’t think you can hold that against them.

  • I should point out that Magic and Worthy were not lottery picks. Eddie Jones was okay, but no superstar.

  • Your first statement is the key that people are missing. It is fun to suggest possible replacements, but we have no idea the feasibility in it.

  • Kobe’s missed two straight, and the team is no better without him. Russell’s momentum and rhythm is disrupted by an overbearing, micromanaging Byron Scott whose roster, as assembled by Jim Buss and Mitch Kupchak, is basically one giant logjam.

  • they lost to the champions last year i don’t think you can hold that against them.

  • I should point out that Magic and Worthy were not lottery picks. Eddie Jones was okay, but no superstar.

  • I can appreciate you being optimistic as a Laker fan. But I’ve been watching this game since the late 70’s. I’ve seen guys who started slow and became stars and I’ve seen college stars who turned out to be bust. To this point Russell hasn’t shown anything that i can see that says he going to be a star. He doesn’t play with a fire of a star. Clarkson plays like he knows he going to be a star. And he may never get that good. But at least he plays like he thinks he will.

  • yea i dont think change is needed right now but maybe the FO can let scott know that he needs to showcase the young talent and put them in positions to shine a little more than he has. not take them out when they are 6/6 from the floor and take them out after they hit 2 3’s in a row.

  • I can appreciate you being optimistic as a Laker fan. But I’ve been watching this game since the late 70’s. I’ve seen guys who started slow and became stars and I’ve seen college stars who turned out to be bust. To this point Russell hasn’t shown anything that i can see that says he going to be a star. He doesn’t play with a fire of a star. Clarkson plays like he knows he going to be a star. And he may never get that good. But at least he plays like he thinks he will.

  • yea i dont think change is needed right now but maybe the FO can let scott know that he needs to showcase the young talent and put them in positions to shine a little more than he has. not take them out when they are 6/6 from the floor and take them out after they hit 2 3’s in a row.

  • how does the team is 17pts worse defensively while he is on the floor not point to him hurting them.

  • how does the team is 17pts worse defensively while he is on the floor not point to him hurting them.

  • YEP!!!! Playing Bogut conflicted with what were the teams key strengths.

    They had..have…a lot of players that can guard multiple positions and shoot from beyond the arc. You play to that strength.

  • YEP!!!! Playing Bogut conflicted with what were the teams key strengths.

    They had..have…a lot of players that can guard multiple positions and shoot from beyond the arc. You play to that strength.

  • yea lets hope he is just a little timid. i know Byron pulling him when he makes a mistake and then pulling him after he hits back to back 3’s might mess with his head. i personally think he needs to mature a little bit but time will tell. i dont expect him to be a superstar but i do think he will be a good servicable point guard that we can surround with talent.

  • Ask the Spurs if there is any consolation prize for losing to the champions?

  • Why cant Byron get that same patience with adding 9 new guys mostly rookies. All this only been 8 games goes for the players and coach.

  • yea lets hope he is just a little timid. i know Byron pulling him when he makes a mistake and then pulling him after he hits back to back 3’s might mess with his head. i personally think he needs to mature a little bit but time will tell. i dont expect him to be a superstar but i do think he will be a good servicable point guard that we can surround with talent.

  • Ask the Spurs if there is any consolation prize for losing to the champions?

  • Why cant Byron get that same patience with adding 9 new guys mostly rookies. All this only been 8 games goes for the players and coach.

  • I agree that your not going to have somebody come in here and take us to the playoffs but if you consider developing youth, making players roles clear, and implementing even a resemblance of a offensive and defensive scheme a success than i think your wrong. just depends on what your definition for success.

  • The Lakers have never been about being a playoff team. That’s why we have had the best of times and the worse of times. We don’t play for the middle.

  • They drafted well, I think. Russell, Nance, and Brown are all very good, defensible picks. And with Towns off the board, that’s the only true difference maker big man. Russell and Clarkson can be dangerous together. They simply need a 3-guard rotation, not 4. Kobe at SF was a better fit for his current skill level. He’s not really playing out of position, he’s just playing the 3 like it’s the 2. He should actually be taking advantage of the half court. Instead, he’s making bad decisions.

    The real problem is that they have logjams up and down the roster.

  • did you feel good when the lakers got swept by the mavericks after knowing they won the championship. i know i didn’t.

  • I agree that your not going to have somebody come in here and take us to the playoffs but if you consider developing youth, making players roles clear, and implementing even a resemblance of a offensive and defensive scheme a success than i think your wrong. just depends on what your definition for success.

  • The Lakers have never been about being a playoff team. That’s why we have had the best of times and the worse of times. We don’t play for the middle.

  • They drafted well, I think. Russell, Nance, and Brown are all very good, defensible picks. And with Towns off the board, that’s the only true difference maker big man. Russell and Clarkson can be dangerous together. They simply need a 3-guard rotation, not 4. Kobe at SF was a better fit for his current skill level. He’s not really playing out of position, he’s just playing the 3 like it’s the 2. He should actually be taking advantage of the half court. Instead, he’s making bad decisions.

    The real problem is that they have logjams up and down the roster.

  • did you feel good when the lakers got swept by the mavericks after knowing they won the championship. i know i didn’t.

  • Well i don’t think you can say making it to the WCF is not winning. They had to win a bunch of games to get there. Just because they did not win the championship doesn’t mean that analytics didn’t help them get there. Playoffs come down to talent on a team and a coach that can adjust they ran out of talent.

  • Well i don’t think you can say making it to the WCF is not winning. They had to win a bunch of games to get there. Just because they did not win the championship doesn’t mean that analytics didn’t help them get there. Playoffs come down to talent on a team and a coach that can adjust they ran out of talent.

  • You realize that Russel is also bad on D as well. And this is a guards league. Lots of fast guards to keep up with and we all know Russel doesn’t have the fastest foot speed. Just saying anything bad you can say about Okafor the same can be said for Russell. What you can’t say is Russell is averaging 20 pt a game as a rookie.

  • Byron has actually had 90 games to show what he is all about. It’s not just this last 8 games, he has shown that he does not possess the basketball acumen for today’s NBA. He is actually playing a system that does not suit the players he has available to him and he is trying to put square pegs into round holes. It’s very similar to D’Antoni who had old busted up injury ridden talent for a system that was probably more suited for Byron’s system.

  • You realize that Russel is also bad on D as well. And this is a guards league. Lots of fast guards to keep up with and we all know Russel doesn’t have the fastest foot speed. Just saying anything bad you can say about Okafor the same can be said for Russell. What you can’t say is Russell is averaging 20 pt a game as a rookie.

  • Byron has actually had 90 games to show what he is all about. It’s not just this last 8 games, he has shown that he does not possess the basketball acumen for today’s NBA. He is actually playing a system that does not suit the players he has available to him and he is trying to put square pegs into round holes. It’s very similar to D’Antoni who had old busted up injury ridden talent for a system that was probably more suited for Byron’s current squad, and conversely D’Antoni’s squad would be better in Byron’s “system”.

  • we know he is averaging 20 points but he is also taking 8 more shots a game. so i personally think it is a situation thing and he is also a low post player. totally different dynamics. but i do agree okafor looks good but i think he is not far from his ceiling and when people have more scouting reports on him he will have a harder time. lol pau blocked him the other night and pau doesn’t jump.

  • But you are assuming that those best of times will come again, if you fail to get with the times you become obsolete. Like the Dallas Cowboys. 5 years sans championship can turn into 20 years pretty quick.

  • we know he is averaging 20 points but he is also taking 8 more shots a game. so i personally think it is a situation thing and he is also a low post player. totally different dynamics. but i do agree okafor looks good but i think he is not far from his ceiling and when people have more scouting reports on him he will have a harder time. lol pau blocked him the other night and pau doesn’t jump.

  • But you are assuming that those best of times will come again, if you fail to get with the times you become obsolete. Like the Dallas Cowboys. 5 years sans championship can turn into 20 years pretty quick.

  • Not 90 games with this team. Its nine new guys who dont know the offense. No coach is going to be successful when adding that many new guys. Not to mention the rookies

  • Not 90 games with this team. Its nine new guys who dont know the offense. No coach is going to be successful when adding that many new guys. Not to mention the rookies

  • The three youngsters you mentioned need to play, and the team is going to have a poor record. It is the only road back for the Lakers. The team can not attract quality free agents until they have something to offer. Right now that is not the case.

    Regarding Jim Buss he wanted to be a horse trainer so daddy bought him horses to train and it was a bust. Now his new toy is the Lakers.

    Russell has talent but remember he is 19 years old. I remember Kobe heaving the ball at 19 years old.

  • The three youngsters you mentioned need to play, and the team is going to have a poor record. It is the only road back for the Lakers. The team can not attract quality free agents until they have something to offer. Right now that is not the case.

    Regarding Jim Buss he wanted to be a horse trainer so daddy bought him horses to train and it was a bust. Now his new toy is the Lakers.

    Russell has talent but remember he is 19 years old. I remember Kobe heaving the ball at 19 years old.

  • Hey the Trailblazers seem to be doing far better, they lost 4 out of 5 of their starting players from last season. That is absolutely no argument at all, he has had months of preseason and he could have even coached the summer league team, but he chose instead to be seen in the stands with his escort.

  • Your mean it only took 3 years for the FO to wake up, that BS has no CLUE and most of the LAKERS fans already new and said how bad this guy is as a COACH, this is way past due, let him go and let KOBE COACH for the remainder of the season. At least KOBE knows BB and can see and know what’s going on during the games .

  • Lakers Fans;

    Before you throw the baby out with the bath water consider this. The current players the Lakers have do have talent. It’s up to coaching to get the most out of the talent that he has. It’s real easy to win games with the best players on your team vs a team with good rookies and good players. When you have this challenge you have to put together a game plan that gives you the best chances to win. In my opinion;
    Start by putting the best players on the floor
    Have a game plan that maximizes your talent Offensively and Defensively
    Have another game plan for your bench to maximize their efforts.
    I like Clarkson(1), Kobe(2), Randall at the (3), Bass/Kelly (4), Hibbert (5)

  • If you give Russell 8 more shots a game he wont average 20 pt. And that’s not even suppose to be the focus of his game. He’s suppose to be a passer. We still have seen him do that effectively.

  • do you think a coach like pop or thibs or any other good coach in the league couldn’t get new players to buy in and play their system? the problem is the system itself. it does not translate to the way the NBA has evolved. the last time scott’s system was good was almost 15 years ago. since the nets he hasn’t done anything and has not changed his thoughts or system. the league has changed and he has not.

  • I’m not disagreeing the fact that D’angelo is bad on defense but he doesn’t make us 17pts worse when he is on the floor.

  • Hey the Trailblazers seem to be doing far better, they lost 4 out of 5 of their starting players from last season. That is absolutely no argument at all, he has had months of preseason and he could have even coached the summer league team, but he chose instead to be seen in the stands with his escort. I’ll also add that Rick Carlisle has a new roster pretty much every season and he still makes it work.

  • You mean it only took 3 years for the FO to wake up, that BS has no CLUE and most of the LAKERS fans already new and said how bad this guy is as a COACH, this is way past due, let him go and let KOBE COACH for the remainder of the season. At least KOBE knows BB and can see and know what’s going on during the games .

  • Lakers Fans;

    Before you throw the baby out with the bath water consider this. The current players the Lakers have do have talent. It’s up to coaching to get the most out of the talent that he has. It’s real easy to win games with the best players on your team vs a team with good rookies and good players. When you have this challenge you have to put together a game plan that gives you the best chances to win. In my opinion;
    Start by putting the best players on the floor
    Have a game plan that maximizes your talent Offensively and Defensively
    Have another game plan for your bench to maximize their efforts.
    I like Clarkson(1), Kobe(2), Randall at the (3), Bass/Kelly (4), Hibbert (5)

  • If you give Russell 8 more shots a game he wont average 20 pt. And that’s not even suppose to be the focus of his game. He’s suppose to be a passer. We still have seen him do that effectively.

  • do you think a coach like pop or thibs or any other good coach in the league couldn’t get new players to buy in and play their system? the problem is the system itself. it does not translate to the way the NBA has evolved. the last time scott’s system was good was almost 15 years ago. since the nets he hasn’t done anything and has not changed his thoughts or system. the league has changed and he has not.

  • I’m not disagreeing the fact that D’angelo is bad on defense but he doesn’t make us 17pts worse when he is on the floor.

  • because scotts trash offensive scheme has russel bringing the ball down the court and handing it off 75% of the time.

  • because scotts trash offensive scheme has russel bringing the ball down the court and handing it off 75% of the time.

  • I could also say this;

    Clarkson:

    Has earned everything he’s got. If developed he has a whole nother level to get to. So it begs (I know stop begging) the question, why hinder his development?

    Kobe:

    Nuff said. My question here is why play him at the (3)? You wind up putting him up against some of the strongest athletic players in the league. Some of the more disingenuous folks would say “He’s played the (3) before”. There’s an advantage playing at the 3 when you are starting as a 2. At times it creates a 1/2 step advantage on offensive side however, it taxes the physical abilities of Kobe. That’s why he has back problems right now. Give the advantage back to Kobe put him back at the 2.

    Randle:

    Has the same problem that Kobe has. His potential is not maximized at the 4.
    Put him at the 3 and he can utilize his strength more while improving his quickness. Randle needs to have more of an impact on Defense. Which I think he can easily do.

    Bass/Kelly”

    The problem with this combo is that the Lakers don’t really play inside out. If they did this would look like a completely different team. So, let’s pretend they are playing inside out. With Bass you have a better offensive and defensive rebounding balance. With Kelly you can create more space for Hibbert to work.

    Hibbert:

    If the Lakers start playing inside out again. I would impress upon Hibbert to start utilizing Lou Williams techniques to live at the Free Throw Line. No brainer!!

    Now, last but not least the bench. I would tell BScott to go nuts. With the current talent you could experiment until you find what works. The only stipulation I would make would involve Russell. He needs to play with every line up that you put on the Floor, with as much time as you could give him.

    You have to calculate improving the players with 1-3 yrs in the league with the rookies you have. Not develop one at the expense of everyone else. Just sayin.

  • I could also say this;

    Clarkson:

    Has earned everything he’s got. If developed he has a whole nother level to get to. So it begs (I know stop begging) the question, why hinder his development?

    Kobe:

    Nuff said. My question here is why play him at the (3)? You wind up putting him up against some of the strongest athletic players in the league. Some of the more disingenuous folks would say “He’s played the (3) before”. There’s an advantage playing at the 3 when you are starting as a 2. At times it creates a 1/2 step advantage on offensive side however, it taxes the physical abilities of Kobe. That’s why he has back problems right now. Give the advantage back to Kobe put him back at the 2.

    Randle:

    Has the same problem that Kobe has. His potential is not maximized at the 4.
    Put him at the 3 and he can utilize his strength more while improving his quickness. Randle needs to have more of an impact on Defense. Which I think he can easily do.

    Bass/Kelly”

    The problem with this combo is that the Lakers don’t really play inside out. If they did this would look like a completely different team. So, let’s pretend they are playing inside out. With Bass you have a better offensive and defensive rebounding balance. With Kelly you can create more space for Hibbert to work.

    Hibbert:

    If the Lakers start playing inside out again. I would impress upon Hibbert to start utilizing Lou Williams techniques to live at the Free Throw Line. No brainer!!

    Now, last but not least the bench. I would tell BScott to go nuts. With the current talent you could experiment until you find what works. The only stipulation I would make would involve Russell. He needs to play with every line up that you put on the Floor, with as much time as you could give him.

    You have to calculate improving the players with 1-3 yrs in the league with the rookies you have. Not develop one at the expense of everyone else. Just sayin.

  • But your comparing a team stat, that has nothing to do with the individual players. Yeah the 6rs have a bad team just like we do. Their bad on D just like we are. But Okafor is play well as a rookie. Adjusting to the NBA game very well. Russell not so much.

  • But your comparing a team stat, that has nothing to do with the individual players. Yeah the 6rs have a bad team just like we do. Their bad on D just like we are. But Okafor is play well as a rookie. Adjusting to the NBA game very well. Russell not so much.

  • Kobe could COACH this team better then BS, he is having back problems and probity would not play many more games anyway.

  • Kobe could COACH this team better then BS, he is having back problems and probity would not play many more games anyway.

  • Russell can still push the ball to make things happen. He walks the ball up. Clarkson doesn’t have a problem getting the team out on the break in the same offensive scheme.

  • Russell can still push the ball to make things happen. He walks the ball up. Clarkson doesn’t have a problem getting the team out on the break in the same offensive scheme.

  • agreed but like i said before i am hopeful its a maturity thing and he gets it sooner or later. i think it is too early to really tell. i am reserving my judgement on any of the rookies this year intil the season is over.

  • agreed but like i said before i am hopeful its a maturity thing and he gets it sooner or later. i think it is too early to really tell. i am reserving my judgement on any of the rookies this year intil the season is over.

  • Because the Lakers chose Russell, because they have a very young core, because Kobe Bryant is clearly showing all the signs that this is the last year for him, because the fan base and media are letting it be clearly known that development must result in wins at the same time or it isn’t accepted, and because the Lakers will have limited draft options in the near future, here are some thoughts of how they COULD proceed.

    1 – Don’t make any moves until close to the trade deadline. Making a move now won’t provide the same level of return that waiting to then will.

    2 – At trade deadline, Lou Williams or Nick Young should be packaged (Kelly or Bass included) as the principal player in a trade with a team that has the potential to contend for the championship. They should use what the Knicks did last year with JR Smith as an example. The key would really trying to get something back that will help the building process.

    3 – Trade Jordan Clarkson on draft night next off season. If the Lakers are going to hitch their wagon to Russell, Clarkson can’t go along for the ride. Waiting to draft night will be similar to what the Knicks did in trading Hardaway Jr. this past draft. If Clarkson continues to have a good season, he will be worth a possible lottery pick.

    4 – Fire Byron Scott at the end of the season (April) and begin a very clear coaching search that is centered on finding someone that can implement a system that fits a core of Russell, Nance and Randle. I would recommend that they be open to assistant coaches and college coaches. I would also include possible D-league coaches in the search.

    5 – The last thing is to keep as the consistent thought is that no other player is off the table AND EVERY decision must directly connect to each other. The Lakers must no longer make disjointed decisions that don’t fit together simply because it’s a great opportunity, or there is a slim possibility that it could work. Sound decisions only.

  • Because the Lakers chose Russell, because they have a very young core, because Kobe Bryant is clearly showing all the signs that this is the last year for him, because the fan base and media are letting it be clearly known that development must result in wins at the same time or it isn’t accepted, and because the Lakers will have limited draft options in the near future, here are some thoughts of how they COULD proceed.

    1 – Don’t make any moves until close to the trade deadline. Making a move now won’t provide the same level of return that waiting to then will.

    2 – At trade deadline, Lou Williams or Nick Young should be packaged (Kelly or Bass included) as the principal player in a trade with a team that has the potential to contend for the championship. They should use what the Knicks did last year with JR Smith as an example. The key would really trying to get something back that will help the building process.

    3 – Trade Jordan Clarkson on draft night next off season. If the Lakers are going to hitch their wagon to Russell, Clarkson can’t go along for the ride. Waiting to draft night will be similar to what the Knicks did in trading Hardaway Jr. this past draft. If Clarkson continues to have a good season, he will be worth a possible lottery pick.

    4 – Fire Byron Scott at the end of the season (April) and begin a very clear coaching search that is centered on finding someone that can implement a system that fits a core of Russell, Nance and Randle. I would recommend that they be open to assistant coaches and college coaches. I would also include possible D-league coaches in the search.

    5 – The last thing is to keep as the consistent thought is that no other player is off the table AND EVERY decision must directly connect to each other. The Lakers must no longer make disjointed decisions that don’t fit together simply because it’s a great opportunity, or there is a slim possibility that it could work. Sound decisions only.

  • We’ve seen teams in recent history make big splashes and immediately bounce back from the cellar. Cleveland, for example, but of course that’s a special case. That’s what the Lakers want. They want to sign Durant one off-season, attract someone else the next, and be perennial contenders for the next coupla’ decades or so. And I don’t think they’re taking “development” seriously or team chemistry. I think they think they can just throw a bunch of names on a roster and have it work out. Lou Williams is an odd fit so far on a team with Nick Young, for example. Hibbert, I like. But Bass is just in Nance and Black’s way. Anthony Brown is gonna struggle to find minutes. Their upside with this roster at any point this season is mediocrity. Not fun to watch…

  • They have been playing harder and faster sense KOBE has sat out, and they did share and play TEAM ball.

  • We’ve seen teams in recent history make big splashes and immediately bounce back from the cellar. Cleveland, for example, but of course that’s a special case. That’s what the Lakers want. They want to sign Durant one off-season, attract someone else the next, and be perennial contenders for the next coupla’ decades or so. And I don’t think they’re taking “development” seriously or team chemistry. I think they think they can just throw a bunch of names on a roster and have it work out. Lou Williams is an odd fit so far on a team with Nick Young, for example. Hibbert, I like. But Bass is just in Nance and Black’s way. Anthony Brown is gonna struggle to find minutes. Their upside with this roster at any point this season is mediocrity. Not fun to watch…

  • They have been playing harder and faster sense KOBE has sat out, and they did share and play TEAM ball.

  • It is the only road for now, but it didn’t have to be. The Lakers could have circumvented the process and became respectable quicker. They chose rebuild over reload.

  • It is the only road for now, but it didn’t have to be. The Lakers could have circumvented the process and became respectable quicker. They chose rebuild over reload.

  • The Lakers have already gone 12 years without a title before. Right now they are at 5 years. So they have been here before.

  • The Lakers have already gone 12 years without a title before. Right now they are at 5 years. So they have been here before.

  • That’s not fair. 7 to 9 of the players on this team had nothing to do with last year’s team.

    MDA didn’t get a fair shake either. Does that mean do the same to Scott? Where will it end?

  • That’s not fair. 7 to 9 of the players on this team had nothing to do with last year’s team.

    MDA didn’t get a fair shake either. Does that mean do the same to Scott? Where will it end?

  • No i dont think they could. Pop has never had to do so with that many players. ( adding Nine players) At most he had to plug in one or two new guys into his rotation. The core is been pretty much consistent. Lakers dont even have a core yet. You give Pop and Thib’s this same roster and the team would be just as bad. It take at least half season if not more. To start to get results from a new guy in any given system. That’s why Aldridge is take so long to get going with the spurs and he a good player. Now imagine having to do that with nine guys. Who dont have anything close to Aldridge talent. Or a core of players who have been playing in the system for a while to help him.

  • No i dont think they could. Pop has never had to do so with that many players. ( adding Nine players) At most he had to plug in one or two new guys into his rotation. The core is been pretty much consistent. Lakers dont even have a core yet. You give Pop and Thib’s this same roster and the team would be just as bad. It take at least half season if not more. To start to get results from a new guy in any given system. That’s why Aldridge is take so long to get going with the spurs and he a good player. Now imagine having to do that with nine guys. Who dont have anything close to Aldridge talent. Or a core of players who have been playing in the system for a while to help him.

  • JJ
    Your strategy will not work. Why? Because first things first. You have to improve your talent to get decent trade value. It becomes a win win scenario for the Lakers. If you like their improvement you keep them if you don’t you can trade for equal value.

  • No doubt, but sans Jerry and Jerry. I don’t really trust the guys in charge to turn this around that quickly.

  • Its easy to call the game when its over. the season is not over, we will get better.

  • JJ
    Your strategy will not work. Why? Because first things first. You have to improve your talent to get decent trade value. It becomes a win win scenario for the Lakers. If you like their improvement you keep them if you don’t you can trade for equal value.

  • No doubt, but sans Jerry and Jerry. I don’t really trust the guys in charge to turn this around that quickly.

  • Has more to do with having one less mouth to feed than a problem with any particular player, although Kobe’s shot selection is not great… They really could stand to shed either Williams or Huertas and really make Clarkson and Russell take over the backcourt in a 3-guard set, especially considering Clarkson’s PG abilities. And resting both before the 4th quarter and then playing them together in the 4th would be good experience and build chemistry. It’s the same with the frontcourt. Bass, Black, Nance, Hibbert, and Randle comprise the frontcourt rotation. That’s probably 2, at least 1 more than they should be playing there on this roster. There’s no reason to have an 11 man rotation on a team with a mix of has-been veterans and young talent.

    The position they need to be platooning is SF. Metta can play both the 3 and 4 so that would allow court time for Kobe and Young. Brown on Kobe’s rest days. They need to clear some logjams. I don’t want to come off as being too strategic, but these rotations are boring, uninspired basketball. Every responsibility is redundant among players.

  • Has more to do with having one less mouth to feed than a problem with any particular player, although Kobe’s shot selection is not great… They really could stand to shed either Williams or Huertas and really make Clarkson and Russell take over the backcourt in a 3-guard set, especially considering Clarkson’s PG abilities. And resting both before the 4th quarter and then playing them together in the 4th would be good experience and build chemistry. It’s the same with the frontcourt. Bass, Black, Nance, Hibbert, and Randle comprise the frontcourt rotation. That’s probably 2, at least 1 more than they should be playing there on this roster. There’s no reason to have an 11 man rotation on a team with a mix of has-been veterans and young talent.

    The position they need to be platooning is SF. Metta can play both the 3 and 4 so that would allow court time for Kobe and Young. Brown on Kobe’s rest days. They need to clear some logjams. I don’t want to come off as being too strategic, but these rotations are boring, uninspired basketball. Every responsibility is redundant among players.

  • Clarkson has to go. The day Russell was drafted the handwriting was on the wall. This is what happens when you draft best available and not by position. You end up with redundancy which we now have with Russell and Clarkson.

    Just look at GSW. Curry and Thompson fit way better than Curry and Ellis did. Thompson is more of a spot up shooter and less of a ball-dominant scorer. The Lakers have to trade Clarkson if they want Russell to work.

  • Clarkson has to go. The day Russell was drafted the handwriting was on the wall. This is what happens when you draft best available and not by position. You end up with redundancy which we now have with Russell and Clarkson.

    Just look at GSW. Curry and Thompson fit way better than Curry and Ellis did. Thompson is more of a spot up shooter and less of a ball-dominant scorer. The Lakers have to trade Clarkson if they want Russell to work.

  • while i kind of agree with that i have seen pop implement his system and send his 4 of his starting 5 home and still beat the miami heat when they had lebron with nothing but bench players. its the system and yes it takes time to learn it but those bench players had not been there for years and a lot of them were new. that game alone made me believe that if you have a good system it doesnt matter how talented you are you can still be competitive. not win a championship but competitive and that is not what we are getting here at all.

  • while i kind of agree with that i have seen pop implement his system and send his 4 of his starting 5 home and still beat the miami heat when they had lebron with nothing but bench players. its the system and yes it takes time to learn it but those bench players had not been there for years and a lot of them were new. that game alone made me believe that if you have a good system it doesnt matter how talented you are you can still be competitive. not win a championship but competitive and that is not what we are getting here at all.

  • The trade value of the persons I listed has already been established. Clarkson will have a high trade value by next summer as a draft night trade just as long as he continues as he has (aside from the last 2 games). Young and Williams value is no less than JR’s trade value was last year at the time he was traded. It’s about finding a team that needs a shooter like them.

    You missed the point…you can’t keep them if you want to build a winner. They have to go.

  • Get Real…..So they come up the Court 1 sec faster…..They still Look Baaaad….Passing the ball withith the same Results isn’t impressing anybody but you and 3 other people…..What about Stopping somebody? All this shows you is that this is a Baaad team….with or without Kobe…Even worse without Kobe.

  • The trade value of the persons I listed has already been established. Clarkson will have a high trade value by next summer as a draft night trade just as long as he continues as he has (aside from the last 2 games). Young and Williams value is no less than JR’s trade value was last year at the time he was traded. It’s about finding a team that needs a shooter like them.

    You missed the point…you can’t keep them if you want to build a winner. They have to go.

  • Get Real…..So they come up the Court 1 sec faster…..They still Look Baaaad….Passing the ball with the same Results isn’t impressing anybody but you and 3 other people…..What about Stopping somebody? All this shows you is that this is a Baaad team….with or without Kobe…Even worse without Kobe.

  • They have more vets and better talent. And their only 4-5 that not saying much. Their good enough to beat the some of the teams the Lakers can hang with but dont have the experience to close them out. Like Minny. Yeah they added vet players who can help them win close games against bad teams. But their struggling just like the Lakers are.

  • The longer the Lakers continue to attempt to go in various directions at the same time, they will only further delay their rise back to the top. You have to pick a direction and stick with it. They have failed to do that multiple times the past few years.

  • They have more vets and better talent. And their only 4-5 that not saying much. Their good enough to beat the some of the teams the Lakers can hang with but dont have the experience to close them out. Like Minny. Yeah they added vet players who can help them win close games against bad teams. But their struggling just like the Lakers are.

  • The longer the Lakers continue to attempt to go in various directions at the same time, they will only further delay their rise back to the top. You have to pick a direction and stick with it. They have failed to do that multiple times the past few years.

  • I say we just weather the storm. Young guys are getting better, just let the season play out. If by the end of the season we aren’t a competitive team then Byron has to go, but if the team is playing well with good chemistry let them all grow together.

  • I say we just weather the storm. Young guys are getting better, just let the season play out. If by the end of the season we aren’t a competitive team then Byron has to go, but if the team is playing well with good chemistry let them all grow together.

  • Your still talking Vet’s vs mostly rookies. You give Pop this same Laker team with his system. They still lose.

  • Russell and Clarkson are not redundant… Having two guards is not a bad thing. It’s when you have 4-5 players who probably need to get their minutes at one guard spot or the other… Russell and Clarkson can play together. It’s Russell and Clarkson being backed up by Huertas and Williams that’s the problem. Take Huertas out of the rotation and you can get both Russell and Clarkson upwards of 30 minutes per game with both playing significant time with the ball.

  • Your still talking Vet’s vs mostly rookies. You give Pop this same Laker team with his system. They still lose.

  • Russell and Clarkson are not redundant… Having two guards is not a bad thing. It’s when you have 4-5 players who probably need to get their minutes at one guard spot or the other… Russell and Clarkson can play together. It’s Russell and Clarkson being backed up by Huertas and Williams that’s the problem. Take Huertas out of the rotation and you can get both Russell and Clarkson upwards of 30 minutes per game with both playing significant time with the ball.

  • I agree with everything but #3. I think it’s still too early to tell if Clarkson and Russell can co-exist with one ball. May be I’d add an asterix ^if Clarkson fails to show he and Russell’s games can complement each other, then he canpotentially be trade bait. OR, I’d add that if Lou and Nick Young do get traded, I think Clarkson would make the ideal 6th man to replace them.

  • Sure is easy to call it later. But in this case I called it before the season started. And I am pulling for the Lakers regardless to the poor decisions they have made and may continue to make. I also think they have made some of their better decision this season. We have a team that is much better than its record. I also think they will start to play better in time. Hopefully it starts tonight.

    Go Lakers !

    Paytc

  • I agree with everything but #3. I think it’s still too early to tell if Clarkson and Russell can co-exist with one ball. May be I’d add an asterix ^if Clarkson fails to show he and Russell’s games can complement each other, then he canpotentially be trade bait. OR, I’d add that if Lou and Nick Young do get traded, I think Clarkson would make the ideal 6th man to replace them.

  • Sure is easy to call it later. But in this case I called it before the season started. And I am pulling for the Lakers regardless to the poor decisions they have made and may continue to make. I also think they have made some of their better decision this season. We have a team that is much better than its record. I also think they will start to play better in time. Hopefully it starts tonight.

    Go Lakers !

    Paytc

  • Cleveland didn’t immediately bounce back, but I get the point. The Lakers actually did it after 2004. They missed the playoffs in 2005, but were in the finals again in 2008. People miss that only 3 players from the 2004 team were still there in 2008 (Kobe, Derek and Luke). That’s what you call a reload!

  • Cleveland didn’t immediately bounce back, but I get the point. The Lakers actually did it after 2004. They missed the playoffs in 2005, but were in the finals again in 2008. People miss that only 3 players from the 2004 team were still there in 2008 (Kobe, Derek and Luke). That’s what you call a reload!

  • A couple of years ago I was cheerleading for Scott to be the head coach, but now I kind of want him gone. His bad rotations, lack of innovative offense, no athletic bigmen on the team, the way he has handle Russell and the way he has not put Kobe in easy scoring opportunities and letting him just ISO behind the 3 point line has drove me nuts. Either he needs to get fired or he needs to make major changes in the rotations and in X’s O’s offense and defensive scheme.

  • A couple of years ago I was cheerleading for Scott to be the head coach, but now I kind of want him gone. His bad rotations, lack of innovative offense, no athletic bigmen on the team, the way he has handle Russell and the way he has not put Kobe in easy scoring opportunities and letting him just ISO behind the 3 point line has drove me nuts. Either he needs to get fired or he needs to make major changes in the rotations and in X’s O’s offense and defensive scheme.

  • You will only delay the future if you keep Clarkson. Trading him on draft night is the best way to get trade value for a player still on their rookie contract. Otherwise, you have to couple in a lot more players or money to make the financial part work.

    GSW is a great example that you have to trade him. Curry and Ellis kept getting in each other’s way. Thompson and Curry is a much better fit. Curry is able to do what he does best, and Thompson can be a spot up shooter that can also drive when the opportunity is there.

  • You will only delay the future if you keep Clarkson. Trading him on draft night is the best way to get trade value for a player still on their rookie contract. Otherwise, you have to couple in a lot more players or money to make the financial part work.

    GSW is a great example that you have to trade him. Curry and Ellis kept getting in each other’s way. Thompson and Curry is a much better fit. Curry is able to do what he does best, and Thompson can be a spot up shooter that can also drive when the opportunity is there.

  • what happens if at the end of the year Russell is more of the odd man out than Clarkson.

  • Kobe is sitting back,and looking at this team saying….whether I take 100 shots or not it’s doesn’t matter with this team….The Results will Still be the Same…… Baaaad.

  • I think that the team put up a good effort against the Magic. This leads me to believe that we are not that far from being a good team. All we need to do is acquire a good HC, an elite 3&D (Harrison Barnes? Who said to max out Harrison Barnes?) and give the kids more time to develop.

  • what happens if at the end of the year Russell is more of the odd man out than Clarkson.

  • Kobe is sitting back,and looking at this team saying….whether I take 100 shots or not it’s doesn’t matter with this team….The Results will Still be the Same…… Baaaad.

  • I think that the team put up a good effort against the Magic. This leads me to believe that we are not that far from being a good team. All we need to do is acquire a good HC, an elite 3&D (Harrison Barnes? Who said to max out Harrison Barnes?) and give the kids more time to develop.

  • Clarkson and Russell will fit less and less the better Russell gets. It is no coincidence that Clarkson’s numbers have dropped the last 2 games.

  • Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom made a HUGE difference for them. People forget how good Bynum was in stretches, also. that 3-man frontcourt rotation was absolutely dominant and each player brought their own unique game to the fold. To me, the current mindset is ‘panic mode’. “Just get the best guys we can get and we’ll worry about how they fit together later.” It doesn’t seem very well thought out.

  • Clarkson and Russell will fit less and less the better Russell gets. It is no coincidence that Clarkson’s numbers have dropped the last 2 games.

  • Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom made a HUGE difference for them. People forget how good Bynum was in stretches, also. that 3-man frontcourt rotation was absolutely dominant and each player brought their own unique game to the fold. To me, the current mindset is ‘panic mode’. “Just get the best guys we can get and we’ll worry about how they fit together later.” It doesn’t seem very well thought out.

  • Thats fine and all but Russell is not Curry and Ellis had more trade value at the time than what clarkson has.

  • Thats fine and all but Russell is not Curry and Ellis had more trade value at the time than what clarkson has.

  • When you are trying to build a team you need to be focused on your starting 5 first. Having Russell and Clarkson as your 2 guards in your starting 5 doesn’t work. This is what i mean by being committed to a direction. The moment you draft a Russell, you have to be committed to doing what will make him the best.

    How does Russell look with the ball NOT in his hands? He needs the ball which makes sense. So give him a shooter to go with him.

  • And yet I found that the team played much, much better without Kobe taking all those shots…

  • When you are trying to build a team you need to be focused on your starting 5 first. Having Russell and Clarkson as your 2 guards in your starting 5 doesn’t work. This is what i mean by being committed to a direction. The moment you draft a Russell, you have to be committed to doing what will make him the best.

    How does Russell look with the ball NOT in his hands? He needs the ball which makes sense. So give him a shooter to go with him.

  • And yet I found that the team played much, much better without Kobe taking all those shots…

  • Bledsoe and Knight are doing pretty well together and i see them being more similar to clarkson and russell than curry and klay.

  • We can’t wait for trade value to go up. Clarkson was 1st team all rookie. That garners trade value.

  • Bledsoe and Knight are doing pretty well together and i see them being more similar to clarkson and russell than curry and klay.

  • We can’t wait for trade value to go up. Clarkson was 1st team all rookie. That garners trade value.

  • Lakers said they took Russell because he had star potential. Clearly they were listening too the analytics. Yeah we all heard the bad defense claims on Okafor but he’s averaging almost two blocks a game this month. Cant be any worst than Hibbert on D. Just younger and a better scorer.

  • I just read where you were preaching patience for russell why do they not both get the same patience.

  • The moment you hitched your wagon to Russell you made decision to ride with him. He is now the key to the plan. I wouldn’t have done it, but the Lakers did…so now go with it.

  • Lakers said they took Russell because he had star potential. Clearly they were listening too the analytics. Yeah we all heard the bad defense claims on Okafor but he’s averaging almost two blocks a game this month. Cant be any worst than Hibbert on D. Just younger and a better scorer.

  • I just read where you were preaching patience for russell why do they not both get the same patience.

  • The moment you hitched your wagon to Russell you made decision to ride with him. He is now the key to the plan. I wouldn’t have done it, but the Lakers did…so now go with it.

  • Yeah, that’s because I phrased it poorly. Edited it to actually reflect my meaning, but that doesn’t show up until you refresh. My edit was:

    “Just get the best guys we can get and we’ll worry about how they fit together later.” It doesn’t seem very well thought out.

  • It would add up to the general chaos should the FO fire BS now. But I agree that he should not be coaching the team next season.

  • Yeah, that’s because I phrased it poorly. Edited it to actually reflect my meaning, but that doesn’t show up until you refresh. My edit was:

    “Just get the best guys we can get and we’ll worry about how they fit together later.” It doesn’t seem very well thought out.

  • It would add up to the general chaos should the FO fire BS now. But I agree that he should not be coaching the team next season.

  • I do agree that a less ball dominant pure shooter would complement Russell a lot more. A guy like the Suns’ Devin Booker or even a guy like Justice Winslow. But the Lakers do need a 6th man if you are going to trade away Nick and Lou. Zach Lavine plays a very similar game to Clarkson and the TWolves are using him in that role.

  • Actually you don’t have to hitch to just him Anthony Bennett was a number 1 overall and he just got traded. What I’m saying is maybe Russell is the one you trade at the end of the year not clarkson.

  • I do agree that a less ball dominant pure shooter would complement Russell a lot more. A guy like the Suns’ Devin Booker or even a guy like Justice Winslow. But the Lakers do need a 6th man if you are going to trade away Nick and Lou. Zach Lavine plays a very similar game to Clarkson and the TWolves are using him in that role.

  • Actually you don’t have to hitch to just him Anthony Bennett was a number 1 overall and he just got traded. What I’m saying is maybe Russell is the one you trade at the end of the year not clarkson.

  • Peaks and Valley’s my friend. This is going to be a long season. Lakers will look good against some bad teams. Then they will turn around and look like S@#$ against others. It the nature of the beast that is rebuilding.

  • Peaks and Valley’s my friend. This is going to be a long season. Lakers will look good against some bad teams. Then they will turn around and look like S@#$ against others. It the nature of the beast that is rebuilding.

  • you are an idiot if you think that because they are averaging the same number of blocks that they are essentially the same on defense.

  • Finally an article critical of BS!!! And, the trigger is Russ, the future superstar. BS must understand that Russ is the new Kobe. You just cant mess with Russ. Not even Kobe can save your job. Just play him like a superstar or face the risk of getting sacked. Remember, going winning less than 20 games wont get you sacked but messing with superstar Russ will be the end of your coaching career with the Lakers.

  • The defense is still a travesty for the 4th or 5th consecutive season. Scoring a lot of points isn’t as interesting to me as scoring more points than the other team. They can ‘compete’ all they want to, but until they stop having consistent defensive breakdowns, which are becoming a Lakers staple, yeah, they’re kinda far off…

  • you are an idiot if you think that because they are averaging the same number of blocks that they are essentially the same on defense.

  • The defense is still a travesty for the 4th or 5th consecutive season. Scoring a lot of points isn’t as interesting to me as scoring more points than the other team. They can ‘compete’ all they want to, but until they stop having consistent defensive breakdowns, which are becoming a Lakers staple, yeah, they’re kinda far off…

  • At this point I rather trade Russel than Clarkson. Problem is no one is going to want Russell. They’re going to want Clarkson.

  • My comments about Russell have nothing to do with not being patient with him. I wanted him as the starting 2 guard this year. I liked last year and still really like him. This isn’t about patience, it is about choosing a path and doing everything necessary to proceed in that path. The Lakers have floundered the past few years in large part because their decisions have not been connected. They hire the wrong coaches to fit their rosters. They sign players that offer very little additional to what they already have (i.e. Lou vs Nick), and they sign players that conflict with the preferred system that fit other players on their roster.

    This is about finally being definitive about what they want. I remember when they traded Shaq. A lot of people said they were crazy to hitch their wagon to Kobe and crazy to bring in the guys they did for the trade. However, they moved in a clear direction of building a team and the drafted, traded for and signed players that fit that plan along the way and in 3 years they were back in the finals.

  • They have averaged less possesions per game so the Faster comment is not entirely correct.

  • Breaking News….These Lakers Fans have witness 2 of the worst seasons in Lakers history….Now you are asking them to set through another fiasco…..If there were something Positive to report about said team…you might pacify a few but it’s not looking good right Now……How long before they start jumping ship?…Jack already hinted he’s on the fence….Food for Thought.

  • At this point I rather trade Russel than Clarkson. Problem is no one is going to want Russell. They’re going to want Clarkson.

  • My comments about Russell have nothing to do with not being patient with him. I wanted him as the starting 2 guard this year. I liked last year and still really like him. This isn’t about patience, it is about choosing a path and doing everything necessary to proceed in that path. The Lakers have floundered the past few years in large part because their decisions have not been connected. They hire the wrong coaches to fit their rosters. They sign players that offer very little additional to what they already have (i.e. Lou vs Nick), and they sign players that conflict with the preferred system that fit other players on their roster.

    This is about finally being definitive about what they want. I remember when they traded Shaq. A lot of people said they were crazy to hitch their wagon to Kobe and crazy to bring in the guys they did for the trade. However, they moved in a clear direction of building a team and the drafted, traded for and signed players that fit that plan along the way and in 3 years they were back in the finals.

  • They have averaged less possesions per game so the Faster comment is not entirely correct.

  • Breaking News….These Lakers Fans have witness 2 of the worst seasons in Lakers history….Now you are asking them to set through another fiasco…..If there were something Positive to report about said team…you might pacify a few but it’s not looking good right Now……How long before they start jumping ship?…Jack already hinted he’s on the fence….Food for Thought.

  • Hope is all we have right now. But I agree with you that the Warriors will give him something close to a max contract and the promise to win more championships…

  • Hope is all we have right now. But I agree with you that the Warriors will give him something close to a max contract and the promise to win more championships…

  • He is not the new Kobe. Dont put those type of expectations on this kid. He can still be a good player. But he may never reach a Kobe or wade status.

  • He is not the new Kobe. Dont put those type of expectations on this kid. He can still be a good player. But he may never reach a Kobe or wade status.

  • He is restricted so they will match any offer. He would be so perfect though. There are a few ideas for Small Forward, a couple that are already on the team.

  • It’s almost as if their major free agent signings were “insurance policies”. Very non-committal. I’d rather see a completely young team than a 19 year old sharing minutes with a 32 year old…

  • He is restricted so they will match any offer. He would be so perfect though. There are a few ideas for Small Forward, a couple that are already on the team.

  • It’s almost as if their major free agent signings were “insurance policies”. Very non-committal. I’d rather see a completely young team than a 19 year old sharing minutes with a 32 year old…

  • When Paul is gone, the Clips will be dead.
    Plus, we have been humiliating them for years so it’s just fair that they give us a taste of our own medicine…

  • so if at the end of the year when you want to trade clarkson russell has not improved enough to have trade value why in the world would you put all your eggs in his basket.

  • He better be the next Kobe….that’s what they draft him at 2 to be.

    Kobe was the next Magic as Magic was the next West. My point is, Russell needs to be the next face for the team for the next extended period of the team.

  • When Paul is gone, the Clips will be dead.
    Plus, we have been humiliating them for years so it’s just fair that they give us a taste of our own medicine…

  • so if at the end of the year when you want to trade clarkson russell has not improved enough to have trade value why in the world would you put all your eggs in his basket.

  • He better be the next Kobe….that’s what they draft him at 2 to be.

    Kobe was the next Magic as Magic was the next West. My point is, Russell needs to be the next face for the team for the next extended period of the team.

  • Are you serious, fan boy? Clarkson has more star prospect than your baby boo boo. I am so sick of all these blind optimism on the kid. He got picked 2nd, that’s all he has to show. Come on!!!

  • Let the bandwagons jump ship. Need to clean house anyway only real Laker fans stick with the struggle.

  • Let the bandwagons jump ship. Need to clean house anyway only real Laker fans stick with the struggle.

  • You don’t move a guy like Clarkson to the 6th man position. You will create a situation like what OKC had. How many times did Westbrook and Harden get in each others’ way. Neither would have gotten to where they are now playing together.

  • You don’t move a guy like Clarkson to the 6th man position. You will create a situation like what OKC had. How many times did Westbrook and Harden get in each others’ way. Neither would have gotten to where they are now playing together.

  • You can’t tell me that if OKC had paid harden that they wouldn’t have won a chip with those 3 by now.

  • At some point I shared the idea with many fans that Randle could play SF but gosh the kid has no jump shot… And BS decided that Brown should be restricted to play zero minutes.

  • Hello JJ I think you can go back through the stats and look at teams that win titles… what always stands out is that they got efficient play from the 2 and 3 spot. Good defense, high shooting percentage, assists, rebounds. Two way players. There’s a whole blog dedicated to this concept (one bad shredda the secret to winning in the NBA).

    Pippin/Jordan – 6 Titles – look at the stats
    Wade/James – 4 Finals appearances – Incredibly efficient shooters that averaged over 50% from the floor

    You can even look at the Lakers… in 98 Shaq averaged 30 a game. Yet no title with Eddie Jones at the 2. Few years later you have titles with Kobe replacing Jones and Shaq averaging the same’30 a game. The difference? Go compare the stats between Eddie Jones in 98 and Kobe in 2000 and so on.

    Didn’t Moneyball prove that you have to use analytics?

  • Superstar? …..I see you got Jokes…..He’s not Even a Super-sub right Now.

  • The better question would be why haven’t you done what is needed to get him there?

  • You can’t tell me that if OKC had paid harden that they wouldn’t have won a chip with those 3 by now.

  • At some point I shared the idea with many fans that Randle could play SF but gosh the kid has no jump shot… And BS decided that Brown should be restricted to play zero minutes.

  • Hello JJ I think you can go back through the stats and look at teams that win titles… what always stands out is that they got efficient play from the 2 and 3 spot. Good defense, high shooting percentage, assists, rebounds. Two way players. There’s a whole blog dedicated to this concept (one bad shredda the secret to winning in the NBA).

    Pippin/Jordan – 6 Titles – look at the stats
    Wade/James – 4 Finals appearances – Incredibly efficient shooters that averaged over 50% from the floor

    You can even look at the Lakers… in 98 Shaq averaged 30 a game. Yet no title with Eddie Jones at the 2. Few years later you have titles with Kobe replacing Jones and Shaq averaging the same’30 a game. The difference? Go compare the stats between Eddie Jones in 98 and Kobe in 2000 and so on.

    Didn’t Moneyball prove that you have to use analytics?

  • Superstar? …..I see you got Jokes…..He’s not Even a Super-sub right Now.

  • The better question would be why haven’t you done what is needed to get him there?

  • I still think the idea of Randle at the 3 is intriguing. Especially if we can get a good stretch 4. Lebron wasn’t a good jump shooter when he came into the league. Took many years.

  • And that the whole problem. In my opinion you dont take a guard 2nd overall unless you think he’s a Kobe. No one was calling this kid anything close to a Kobe. He will never meet those expectations.

  • randle should share some of that load with russell regardless of where they were drafted.

  • The Lakers made a big mistake in the draft. They should have drafted JAHIL OKAFUR. Center Roy Hibbert, PF Okafur, SF Randle, PG Clarkson and SG Kobe would have been a great team. Reserves: L. Williams, Bass, Kelly, Meta, Huertas, Brown and Nance. The reserves would be weak, but need to get at least a good PG/SG and PF in free agency. Presently, their center and forward positions are very weak. They do not have good shooters. Their shots are not falling in. I think the Lakers front office lacks vision and knowledge to put together a good shooting team.

  • I still think the idea of Randle at the 3 is intriguing. Especially if we can get a good stretch 4. Lebron wasn’t a good jump shooter when he came into the league. Took many years.

  • And that the whole problem. In my opinion you dont take a guard 2nd overall unless you think he’s a Kobe. No one was calling this kid anything close to a Kobe. He will never meet those expectations.

  • randle should share some of that load with russell regardless of where they were drafted.

  • The Lakers made a big mistake in the draft. They should have drafted JAHIL OKAFUR. Center Roy Hibbert, PF Okafur, SF Randle, PG Clarkson and SG Kobe would have been a great team. Reserves: L. Williams, Bass, Kelly, Meta, Huertas, Brown and Nance. The reserves would be weak, but need to get at least a good PG/SG and PF in free agency. Presently, their center and forward positions are very weak. They do not have good shooters. Their shots are not falling in. I think the Lakers front office lacks vision and knowledge to put together a good shooting team.

  • I don’t know. I saw them not being able to maximize their potential while playing together. Harden was at his best when Westbrook was on the bench. Westbrook was at his best when Harden was on the bench.

    Look at the Heat. Bosh had to take the lesser role for both Wade and Lebron to be dominant. As talented as the 3 of them are, they still were not able to all be at their best at the same time. It’s just not possible with guys that have skill sets that conflict.

  • What does that matter of course Curry and Klay are more productive because they have the current MVP and best player in the league currently in that combo. And i never said that bledsoe and knight were better but they have similar skillsets as clarkson and russell and they fit together. Russell is nothing like curry

  • I don’t know. I saw them not being able to maximize their potential while playing together. Harden was at his best when Westbrook was on the bench. Westbrook was at his best when Harden was on the bench.

    Look at the Heat. Bosh had to take the lesser role for both Wade and Lebron to be dominant. As talented as the 3 of them are, they still were not able to all be at their best at the same time. It’s just not possible with guys that have skill sets that conflict.

  • What does that matter of course Curry and Klay are more productive because they have the current MVP and best player in the league currently in that combo. And i never said that bledsoe and knight were better but they have similar skillsets as clarkson and russell and they fit together. Russell is nothing like curry

  • Laker fans, please try to be a bit more patience. The roster consists mostly of young players or veterans who have never played together. It takes time even for the very best to learn how to play with one another.

    When Scottie Pippen joined Michael Jordan in 1987, the Bulls were barely above .500 through the first 28 games, and during one stretch, they lost 5 in a row and 9 of 12 games. When Lebron James left Cleveland for Miami in the 2010-11 season, the Heat were barely above .500 after 18 games.

    This Laker team can’t come close to those great teams. It is going to take them much longer just to learn how to play together before they start to win games with any consistency!

  • Iggy fits because his strengths don’t conflict. You would have to change who Clarkson is to make it work. Why do that?

  • Laker fans, please try to be a bit more patience. The roster consists mostly of young players or veterans who have never played together. It takes time even for the very best to learn how to play with one another.

    When Scottie Pippen joined Michael Jordan in 1987, the Bulls were barely above .500 through the first 28 games, and during one stretch, they lost 5 in a row and 9 of 12 games. When Lebron James left Cleveland for Miami in the 2010-11 season, the Heat were barely above .500 after 18 games.

    This Laker team can’t come close to those great teams. It is going to take them much longer just to learn how to play together before they start to win games with any consistency!

  • Iggy fits because his strengths don’t conflict. You would have to change who Clarkson is to make it work. Why do that?

  • I would prefer to use a winning combo as my example instead of a combo of a team that can barely make the playoffs.

  • Sorry to Bust your Bubble…but this is a Business…..Owners aren’t in this Business to Lose Money….25mil to Kobe is not a Lost because he fills seats (when playing).

  • Ohh …. watch it Truth. Many Russ Fan boys here. Russ is the new Lin. Remember all those funny Lin fans?

  • Then he can be like Ginobli. We can do this all day. Nothing says Clark can’t work in any role.

  • But for every good example like those two, there are a multitude of bad ones.

  • But we selected Russel and should pray that the kid is for real. But it is way too soon to try to assess how good the kid really is right now.

  • I would prefer to use a winning combo as my example instead of a combo of a team that can barely make the playoffs.

  • Sorry to Bust your Bubble…but this is a Business…..Owners aren’t in this Business to Lose Money….25mil to Kobe is not a Lost because he fills seats (when playing).

  • Then he can be like Ginobli. We can do this all day. Nothing says Clark can’t work in any role.

  • But for every good example like those two, there are a multitude of bad ones.

  • But we selected Russel and should pray that the kid is for real. But it is way too soon to try to assess how good the kid really is right now.

  • This will be the last time I ever respond to you, you have your own agenda.

  • This will be the last time I ever respond to you, you have your own agenda.

  • Some people just never live up to their potential wesley johnson was a lottery pick you think the reason he blows is because the team he played for. I’m not comparing russell and johnson or calling russell a bust i just don’t think you should be shopping the best player on the team 8 games into the season because the rookie you drafted.

  • Ginobli is a great spot up shooter and one of the best passers on the team. Unless Clarkson is going to become a great spot up shooter or one of the best passers on the team, it won’t work. The other thing is, in the Spurs system the ball does rest in Parker’s hands. At least 4 players at all times are facilitating the offense.

  • Some people just never live up to their potential wesley johnson was a lottery pick you think the reason he blows is because the team he played for. I’m not comparing russell and johnson or calling russell a bust i just don’t think you should be shopping the best player on the team 8 games into the season because the rookie you drafted.

  • Ginobli is a great spot up shooter and one of the best passers on the team. Unless Clarkson is going to become a great spot up shooter or one of the best passers on the team, it won’t work. The other thing is, in the Spurs system the ball does rest in Parker’s hands. At least 4 players at all times are facilitating the offense.

  • i dont want Scott “under fire” i want him FIRED! its going to take more then just a better coach, who ever they bring in next needs to have a good staff with him.

  • i dont want Scott “under fire” i want him FIRED! its going to take more then just a better coach, who ever they bring in next needs to have a good staff with him.

  • Clarkson is fully capable of transforming himself into a ‘cutter’. He can play off ball, get to the rim for Russell in rhythm, etc. That’s the exact adjustment Wade had to make for Lebron.

  • Clarkson is fully capable of transforming himself into a ‘cutter’. He can play off ball, get to the rim for Russell in rhythm, etc. That’s the exact adjustment Wade had to make for Lebron.

  • Wade was already a slasher and cutter. He was also a guy that could play with the ball in his hands.

    You are talking about asking Clarkson to change and my thing is why? Why not just get a player that does fit instead of making a player change to fit?

  • Clarkson, so far this season, is one of the best spot up shooters in the entire league. Better than any player stats wise on Spurs with the spot up 3

  • Wade was already a slasher and cutter. He was also a guy that could play with the ball in his hands.

    You are talking about asking Clarkson to change and my thing is why? Why not just get a player that does fit instead of making a player change to fit?

  • Clarkson, so far this season, is one of the best spot up shooters in the entire league. Better than any player stats wise on Spurs with the spot up 3

  • Scoring a lot of points doesn’t matter. It’s scoring more points than the other team. That’s what basketball is about. Defense first.

  • You can’t compare things to arguably the best shooting tandem in history if they keep going at the pace they were on. You cannot just recreate a combo that great. Also who is your 2 guard that your replacing clarkson with because we need a SF and C worse than we need to replace clarkson.

  • No i didn’t say that. I was simply pointing out that for all the bad press about Okafor’s D He’s still averaging almost two block a game.

  • Scoring a lot of points doesn’t matter. It’s scoring more points than the other team. That’s what basketball is about. Defense first.

  • You can’t compare things to arguably the best shooting tandem in history if they keep going at the pace they were on. You cannot just recreate a combo that great. Also who is your 2 guard that your replacing clarkson with because we need a SF and C worse than we need to replace clarkson.

  • No i didn’t say that. I was simply pointing out that for all the bad press about Okafor’s D He’s still averaging almost two block a game. And he no worst than Hibbert on blocks while scoring.

  • That’s just not true. Spot up would mean without dribbling right? Most of his shots come after dribbles.

  • Ginobli early in his career was a streaky shooter. He always lived by cutting and driving to the rim.

  • That’s just not true. Spot up would mean without dribbling right? Most of his shots come after dribbles.

  • Ginobli early in his career was a streaky shooter. He always lived by cutting and driving to the rim.

  • There’s this thing called sportvu that allows you to track things like spot up shooting its an actual stat and incendy is correct.

  • Yes, since BIG men are dominating the game.

    How could the Heat have made it to finals without Joel Anthony averaging 2 points a game at Center.

    And since Dwight Howard wins the title every year regardless of what team he plays for…

    Sorry to be sarcastic but the Lakers want the next Steph Curry not the next Dwight Howard

  • There’s this thing called sportvu that allows you to track things like spot up shooting its an actual stat and incendy is correct.

  • Yes, since BIG men are dominating the game.

    How could the Heat have made it to finals without Joel Anthony averaging 2 points a game at Center.

    And since Dwight Howard wins the title every year regardless of what team he plays for…

    Sorry to be sarcastic but the Lakers want the next Steph Curry not the next Dwight Howard

  • A lot of good stuff on here, points and counterpoints well taken, I’m in the camp of cutting down the rotation a bit with a few tweaks to position and player used. Brown should get some time of run, good defender which Lord knows we need more of, and can hit the 3, Bass is ok but not giving us enough of what we need so he should sit, I like the way Black progresses with ample minutes given, should be the first back-up big on the floor. Huertas is similar to Bass in that he has done so-so but not enough to take minutes from Russell(who benefits the most from an either-or, scenario at point) so he should sit. I love Kobe and will never be one of these Laker fans ready to throw him on the scrap heap. No question anymore he is a shadow of his old self, but let him play the way he knows and just scale his minutes back a tad more, he is a smart guy he will figure out what the team needs most out of him when some success starts. Lou is a love and hate player so far. Love the pure scoring skill he has, which we need, but hate how he now seems think he has to carry the entire scoring load, which he does not. If he stays within himself, he will score just enough of what we need. Gonna be another long season, but we are not devoid of talent and the time will come sooner than later when we creep back to contender status

  • This is a platform for fans either to sing the team kisses or to kick their butts. Sensible and patient fans should just buy tickets, watch Lakers games, make the owners rich and then go home.

  • A lot of good stuff on here, points and counterpoints well taken, I’m in the camp of cutting down the rotation a bit with a few tweaks to position and player used. Brown should get some time of run, good defender which Lord knows we need more of, and can hit the 3, Bass is ok but not giving us enough of what we need so he should sit, I like the way Black progresses with ample minutes given, should be the first back-up big on the floor. Huertas is similar to Bass in that he has done so-so but not enough to take minutes from Russell(who benefits the most from an either-or, scenario at point) so he should sit. I love Kobe and will never be one of these Laker fans ready to throw him on the scrap heap. No question anymore he is a shadow of his old self, but let him play the way he knows and just scale his minutes back a tad more, he is a smart guy he will figure out what the team needs most out of him when some success starts. Lou is a love and hate player so far. Love the pure scoring skill he has, which we need, but hate how he now seems think he has to carry the entire scoring load, which he does not. If he stays within himself, he will score just enough of what we need. Gonna be another long season, but we are not devoid of talent and the time will come sooner than later when we creep back to contender status

  • Probably why he’s sitting back Watching….to see what he’s working with.

  • Probably why he’s sitting back Watching….to see what he’s working with.

  • You have to admit though…Okafor looks better than Russell right now honestly….

  • You have to admit though…Okafor looks better than Russell right now honestly….

  • all this talk about ben simmons and people are not realizing that brandon ingram can easily move into that #1 overall pick. ben simmons is the real deal but ingram has mamba blood.

  • all this talk about ben simmons and people are not realizing that brandon ingram can easily move into that #1 overall pick. ben simmons is the real deal but ingram has mamba blood.

  • I think that was a sarcasm aimed at the Russell fanboys…

    If it was not, a very good joke indeed!

  • There is no next Curry. Just like there no next Jordan or Kobe. But Okafor can play like a Duncan without being the next Duncan. He closer to that than Russell is to being a Curry

  • I think that was a sarcasm aimed at the Russell fanboys…

    If it was not, a very good joke indeed!

  • There is no next Curry. Just like there no next Jordan or Kobe. But Okafor can play like a Duncan without being the next Duncan. He closer to that than Russell is to being a Curry

  • May be you should tell us what other areas Russell is doing better than Okafor? His hairstyle doesnt count.

  • Agreed. Let’s see what we’ve got before making moves. It’s early days and we need to be patient.

  • MDA was actually winning games with little talent and a huge injury list. He did not get a fair shake and was lambasted by most of the former Lakers’ greats, essentially running him out of town. He had a semblance of a game plan which is what Byron lacks completely, his basketball was also pretty fun to watch. I think Byron has had more than a fair shake at it. I think his interests aren’t in the Lakers best interests going forward. It doesn’t help that he is basically untouchable by his former show time buddies. Other than securing a top 3 pick next year, I see no reason to keep Scott for the future, he is antiquated and a yes-man.

  • Agreed. Let’s see what we’ve got before making moves. It’s early days and we need to be patient.

  • MDA was actually winning games with little talent and a huge injury list. He did not get a fair shake and was lambasted by most of the former Lakers’ greats, essentially running him out of town. He had a semblance of a game plan which is what Byron lacks completely, his basketball was also pretty fun to watch. I think Byron has had more than a fair shake at it. I think his interests aren’t in the Lakers best interests going forward. It doesn’t help that he is basically untouchable by his former show time buddies. Other than securing a top 3 pick next year, I see no reason to keep Scott for the future, he is antiquated and a yes-man.

  • It is true. Somehow Okafor hasn’t won a single NBA game in his entire career.

  • It is true. Somehow Okafor hasn’t won a single NBA game in his entire career.

  • Incendy You’re my boy and i respect your opinion. Lakers are not winning. Okafor is the better player to this point. I’m a Lakers fan all day. But i know the real.

  • You are stuck on how good Curry and Klay are at what they do, and my point is that it starts with putting them together because of what they do best.

    I agree, we do need a small forward and center. That was my point during the draft when the Lakers chose a point guard instead of a center. However, now that we have Russell the SG position is possibly the most important position to focus on next. Plus, depending on what the Lakers were able to get for Clarkson, they could end up moving Randle to the 5 like Draymond Green.

  • Tough situation there. Both fit our needs badly. But I am not really looking to go through the rookie experience all over again haha.

  • Incendy You’re my boy and i respect your opinion. Lakers are not winning. Okafor is the better player to this point. I’m a Lakers fan all day. But i know the real.

  • You are stuck on how good Curry and Klay are at what they do, and my point is that it starts with putting them together because of what they do best.

    I agree, we do need a small forward and center. That was my point during the draft when the Lakers chose a point guard instead of a center. However, now that we have Russell the SG position is possibly the most important position to focus on next. Plus, depending on what the Lakers were able to get for Clarkson, they could end up moving Randle to the 5 like Draymond Green.

  • Tough situation there. Both fit our needs badly. But I am not really looking to go through the rookie experience all over again haha.

  • I said he didn’t get a fair shake. Why did you just repeat what I said?

  • I said he didn’t get a fair shake. Why did you just repeat what I said?

  • Neither player is responsible for their teams record. Russell has slightly better players to play with than the Okafor. Plus 6rs are trying to keep that top three protected pick from us.

  • Only move I think we should make is trade Young and Kelly for a draft pick and have Brown replace him in the rotation.

  • Neither player is responsible for their teams record. Russell has slightly better players to play with than the Okafor. Plus 6rs are trying to keep that top three protected pick from us.

  • Only move I think we should make is trade Young and Kelly for a draft pick and have Brown replace him in the rotation.

  • LOL…You guys can sit on your stats all you want. I watch the games and the other teams and use that to make determination of what will work.

    The Lakers can go in the direction you have stated and keep Clarkson but they will not win with them as their combo…count on it.

  • LOL…You guys can sit on your stats all you want. I watch the games and the other teams and use that to make determination of what will work.

    The Lakers can go in the direction you have stated and keep Clarkson but they will not win with them as their combo…count on it.

  • You guys are killing me. If the Lakers use the same mindset as you all are using, they will not be great any time in the near future.

  • You guys are killing me. If the Lakers use the same mindset as you all are using, they will not be great any time in the near future.

  • what is disheartening so far this year is not just that we have lost all but one game, but that we have not even had a big lead. Correction, the first game we did blow a big lead, but every other game we can’t even get a 10 point lead at ANY time during the game, i mean, this the nba where big leads are taken and given away on a nightly, damn near quarterly basis. It seems that we are so bad that no matter who we play we can’t string together even a 6 to 7 minute stretch where we score on at least half our possession WHILE getting consistent stops on defense. Good teams like the warriors, spurs and the like can do that seemingly at will or at least at some point most games, but even mediocre to bad teams can do that at some point over a 3 or 4 game stretch. When are we gonna figure out how to play BOTH ends of the floor at the same time for even a FEW minutes span at any point during the game! First quarter, second, third just at some point show you just won’t go back and forth with a team, but actually build a lead that is more than 5 or six points! Frustrating

  • what is disheartening so far this year is not just that we have lost all but one game, but that we have not even had a big lead. Correction, the first game we did blow a big lead, but every other game we can’t even get a 10 point lead at ANY time during the game, i mean, this the nba where big leads are taken and given away on a nightly, damn near quarterly basis. It seems that we are so bad that no matter who we play we can’t string together even a 6 to 7 minute stretch where we score on at least half our possession WHILE getting consistent stops on defense. Good teams like the warriors, spurs and the like can do that seemingly at will or at least at some point most games, but even mediocre to bad teams can do that at some point over a 3 or 4 game stretch. When are we gonna figure out how to play BOTH ends of the floor at the same time for even a FEW minutes span at any point during the game! First quarter, second, third just at some point show you just won’t go back and forth with a team, but actually build a lead that is more than 5 or six points! Frustrating

  • DLo is -59 points through 8 games
    Okafor is -125 points through 8 games.
    Comparison enough?

  • DLo is -59 points through 8 games
    Okafor is -125 points through 8 games.
    Comparison enough?

  • We are a terrible defensive team. It was foolish for us to assume that by adding Hibbert all the defensive problems would disappear.

  • Fans all have opinions and love to share them. Byron Scott was a champion as a player, has been to two NBA finals as a coach, was coach of the year, and has developed three Top NBA point guards. But fans think they know better.

  • We are a terrible defensive team. It was foolish for us to assume that by adding Hibbert all the defensive problems would disappear.

  • Fans all have opinions and love to share them. Byron Scott was a champion as a player, has been to two NBA finals as a coach, was coach of the year, and has developed three Top NBA point guards. But fans think they know better.

  • We complain about every coach we got since Phil and we even complain about Phil in his days when lakers doing bad. Regardless of coach if the team isn’t doing well nothing will make them better there is no quick fix there is only time that we have to see and wait.

  • We complain about every coach we got since Phil and we even complain about Phil in his days when lakers doing bad. Regardless of coach if the team isn’t doing well nothing will make them better there is no quick fix there is only time that we have to see and wait.

  • what you say is true but byron isn’t that leader this team needs to get us over the hump

  • And bring in who? What coach can you get to come in without a training camp and turn things around. We tried that with D’Antoni remember. Did work so well and he had better players to work with.

  • The Lakers may want to sign Durant and other top talents but no one wants to sign with the Lakers.

    The days of the Lakers having double the size of a checkbook compared to the other teams in the League is over.

  • what you say is true but byron isn’t that leader this team needs to get us over the hump

  • And bring in who? What coach can you get to come in without a training camp and turn things around. We tried that with D’Antoni remember. Did work so well and he had better players to work with.

  • The Lakers may want to sign Durant and other top talents but no one wants to sign with the Lakers.

    The days of the Lakers having double the size of a checkbook compared to the other teams in the League is over.

  • Did Doc Rivers look like the leader for the Celtics prior to the big trade?

  • what do you think of mark jackson? he might not turn things around immediately but he has a good understanding and relationship with players and the helps motivate players a lot better than scott’s style.

  • Do you think if the Lakers bring someone in to replace Byron today. He can get this team over the hump with no training camp to implement his system.

  • Did Doc Rivers look like the leader for the Celtics prior to the big trade?

  • what do you think of mark jackson? he might not turn things around immediately but he has a good understanding and relationship with players and that helps motivate players a lot better than scott’s style.

  • Do you think if the Lakers bring someone in to replace Byron today. He can get this team over the hump with no training camp to implement his system.

  • Overall…an overwhelming….Yes. I know we are Lakers fans but its O.K to tell the truth man. As of today….Okafor has just about doubled Russells scoring and rebounding, is shooting free throws at a higher clip, rebounding at a higher rate, and shockingly playing better defense too. I hope Russell catches up….But Im not going to lie to myself about it.

  • As a long time Lakers fan, I have accepted the fact that LAL will not be any good for the next 2-4 years. Due to the current salary structure, LAL can’t go out and sign a great players anymore. This is fine. Now, the most realistic way of building up LAL is draft picks. LAL has Randle, Clarkson & Russell now, which is a nice core to build upon. In order for these guys to be good, they need to play (together) as much as they can. I am fine if LAL doesn’t win any more game the rest of this season. In fact, I wish they don’t so LAL can be in the top 3 for the next draft. All LAL fans need to be realistic here.. do you really care if the LAL win 10 or 30 games this season?
    Does it make a difference? I don’t think so.
    We need the LAL management to realize that the young core needs to be developed, which mean we need to give them as much minutes to play.

  • Because it’s a good point, you say it’s irrelevant? What had Doc Rivers done before that first season after the trade that would make people say he was a great coach?

  • Overall…an overwhelming….Yes. I know we are Lakers fans but its O.K to tell the truth man. As of today….Okafor has just about doubled Russells scoring and rebounding, is shooting free throws at a higher clip, rebounding at a higher rate, and shockingly playing better defense too. I hope Russell catches up….But Im not going to lie to myself about it.

  • As a long time Lakers fan, I have accepted the fact that LAL will not be any good for the next 2-4 years. Due to the current salary structure, LAL can’t go out and sign a great players anymore. This is fine. Now, the most realistic way of building up LAL is draft picks. LAL has Randle, Clarkson & Russell now, which is a nice core to build upon. In order for these guys to be good, they need to play (together) as much as they can. I am fine if LAL doesn’t win any more game the rest of this season. In fact, I wish they don’t so LAL can be in the top 3 for the next draft. All LAL fans need to be realistic here.. do you really care if the LAL win 10 or 30 games this season?
    Does it make a difference? I don’t think so.
    We need the LAL management to realize that the young core needs to be developed, which mean we need to give them as much minutes to play.

  • Because it’s a good point, you say it’s irrelevant? What had Doc Rivers done before that first season after the trade that would make people say he was a great coach?

  • I like Mark Jackson. But unless he going to run the same offense as Byron. It would be best to wait till after the season to change coaches. Let the new coach get a full training camp.

  • Bottomline is we should of drafted Okafor. Now we are paying the price. It will only get more obvious as time goes on what a bone head move it was to draft this soft guard over the proven big man with legit post moves.

  • I like Mark Jackson. But unless he going to run the same offense as Byron. It would be best to wait till after the season to change coaches. Let the new coach get a full training camp.

  • Bottomline is we should of drafted Okafor. Now we are paying the price. It will only get more obvious as time goes on what a bone head move it was to draft this soft guard over the proven big man with legit post moves.

  • We complain, cause all the coaches have been bad, and while no coach is gonna turn this team into contenders, show me a coach who can at least give this team an identity we can clearly see on the court. Team plays with no discipline, of course mistakes and turnovers are gonna happen, but are they careless turnovers or hustle mistakes, was it a smart decision that you just couldn’t execute or a bad decision that had no chance! This is where Byron has to show his team is listening and at least progressing

  • We complain, cause all the coaches have been bad, and while no coach is gonna turn this team into contenders, show me a coach who can at least give this team an identity we can clearly see on the court. Team plays with no discipline, of course mistakes and turnovers are gonna happen, but are they careless turnovers or hustle mistakes, was it a smart decision that you just couldn’t execute or a bad decision that had no chance! This is where Byron has to show his team is listening and at least progressing

  • But you’re going to put the new coach in a bad position. With implementing his system during the season. Guys having to unlearn what they learned from Byron in favor of the new system. The team would be in a bigger mess. Best to wait till after the season to give the new coach a full training camp.

  • Blaming the salary cap is a cop out. Plus, next summer it will be raised.
    Draft picks is not a fool proof method either. The Spurs are one of the few teams that can say they built a team with mostly drafted players.
    If the core needs minutes, why sign the players that they did?

  • But you’re going to put the new coach in a bad position. With implementing his system during the season. Guys having to unlearn what they learned from Byron in favor of the new system. The team would be in a bigger mess. Best to wait till after the season to give the new coach a full training camp.

  • Blaming the salary cap is a cop out. Plus, next summer it will be raised.
    Draft picks is not a fool proof method either. The Spurs are one of the few teams that can say they built a team with mostly drafted players.
    If the core needs minutes, why sign the players that they did?

  • No use crying over spilt milk. We have the team we have and might as well look to improve upon it as best we can.

    Personally I think they should of gone with Okafor also, but we’ve got to give Clarkson, Russell, Randle time to see if they can pan out. If not then we make moves but if it works so much the better.

  • Ridiculous how some fans think that there is a better coach out there that could could 3 starters ages 23, 20, 19. Take a look at some of the bottom dwellers in the standings: Pelicans (Davis (1st), Evans (4th selected), KIngs (Cousins (5th), Stein (6th), 76ers (Okafor (3rd), Noel (6th). There are no top 8 team in either conference playing 3 guys 23yrs old or younger. Perspective people, the season is still young. by the second half all the young players will be getting minutes regardless of where they were drafted. they can learn alot sitting like Clarkson did.

  • No use crying over spilt milk. We have the team we have and might as well look to improve upon it as best we can.

    Personally I think they should of gone with Okafor also, but we’ve got to give Clarkson, Russell, Randle time to see if they can pan out. If not then we make moves but if it works so much the better.

  • Ridiculous how some fans think that there is a better coach out there that could could 3 starters ages 23, 20, 19. Take a look at some of the bottom dwellers in the standings: Pelicans (Davis (1st), Evans (4th selected), KIngs (Cousins (5th), Stein (6th), 76ers (Okafor (3rd), Noel (6th). There are no top 8 team in either conference playing 3 guys 23yrs old or younger. Perspective people, the season is still young. by the second half all the young players will be getting minutes regardless of where they were drafted. they can learn alot sitting like Clarkson did.

  • The teams have been bad as well for the exception of the Howard Kobe and Gasol team for D’Antoni. But to his credit that team had injuries.

  • True statement, but we can’t change it now.
    The thing missed is that choosing Okafor should never have been thought to be saying that Russell was not the better player. Russell may be, but that still should not have been enough to choose him over Okafor.

  • Agreed. It seems lack of a system means we just try grabbing people whether they fit or not. The FO needs to up it’s game if LAL are ever going to be back on top.

  • The teams have been bad as well for the exception of the Howard Kobe and Gasol team for D’Antoni. But to his credit that team had injuries.

  • True statement, but we can’t change it now.
    The thing missed is that choosing Okafor should never have been thought to be saying that Russell was not the better player. Russell may be, but that still should not have been enough to choose him over Okafor.

  • Agreed. It seems lack of a system means we just try grabbing people whether they fit or not. The FO needs to up it’s game if LAL are ever going to be back on top.

  • Or you could look at it this way… Byron Scott was a champion as a player, his team acquired all-star point guard Jason Kidd who led him to two NBA Finals as a coach, he then got him fired. He then led the Hornets to their franchise worst record and got the naturally gifted Chris Paul who combined with the veteran signings of Tyson Chandler/Stojakovic led to Byron Scott being named “coach of the year”, despite having only the joint 4th best record in the NBA. He then fell out with those guys and gave the Cavs one of their worst ever records which landing him Kyrie Irving, he failed to develop Irving, Thompson, Waiters, Bass, JR Smith and a multitude of other first round picks, preferring instead to play veterans over them. So the question really is: Did Byron Scott develop Chris Paul? Or did Chris Paul develop Byron Scott? Least we forget that in Byron’s 15 year coaching career he has led his team to the lottery for 11 of those years.

  • This is not the NFL and it almost always doesn’t work in the NFL either. If a coaching change is made during the season. In any pro sport. It due to the team being bad rarely do those teams turn it around much less get better.

  • Or you could look at it this way… Byron Scott was a champion as a player, his team acquired all-star point guard Jason Kidd who led him to two NBA Finals as a coach, he then got him fired. He then led the Hornets to their franchise worst record and got the naturally gifted Chris Paul who combined with the veteran signings of Tyson Chandler/Stojakovic led to Byron Scott being named “coach of the year”, despite having only the joint 4th best record in the NBA. He then fell out with those guys and gave the Cavs one of their worst ever records which landing him Kyrie Irving, he failed to develop Irving, Tho