Byron Scott On Cancelled Lakers Game, What He Liked In Three Quarters
Lakers News: Roster Cuts May Begin After Kings Preseason Game
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The start of the 2015-16 NBA season is right around the corner for the Los Angeles Lakers with the storied franchise set to play only two more preseason games before taking on the Minnesota Timberwolves on Oct. 28.

On Saturday, the Lakers faced off against the defending NBA champion Golden State Warriors in a strange game that ended prematurely. Players were slipping and sliding all over the basketball floor at Valley View Casino Center in San Diego due to condensation from an ice rink underneath.

The game was ultimately called late in the third quarter due to the danger to the players. Head coach Byron Scott talked about the cancellation of the game and the positive things he saw through the three-quarters played by the Lakers on Saturday night.

Newcomer Marcelo Huertas was one of the bright spots for the Lakers along with the impressive play of Julius Randle and Jordan Clarkson. Coach Scott was disappointed that the team was unable to give some playing time to players trying to make the final roster like Jonathan Holmes and Tarik Black, but was happy with the outcome regardless.

Coach Scott and company will get back to work on Monday with the team hosting the Portland Trail Blazers at the Staples Center in the second-to-last preseason game for the Lakers.

I see playoffs , shock and awe in our future !!!!!!!! GO LAKES !!!!!!!!!

  • not until Lakers replace our losing coach, no way we can make it to the playoffs! look at the record of this man, 16 year coaching career and just made the playoffs 4 times! This guy can’t coach why can’t the management see that?

  • not until Lakers replace our losing coach, no way we can make it to the playoffs! look at the record of this man, 16 year coaching career and just made the playoffs 4 times! This guy can’t coach why can’t the management see that?

  • I dont believe byron scott is a bad coach and we honestly can’t use last season or his lack of playoff births as examples of his inability to succeed.

    We are in a stacked conference and we have some serious competition in our division ie. Warriors, Clippers not to mention phoenix and the kings have been developing/rebuilding for years now. These aren’t meant to be seen as excuses but relistic explanations. We also led the legue in injuries for the past 2-3 seasons. D’antoni left for that reason, why desroy his winning record as coach?where as Byron is taking a sinking ship and trying to remodel it into a yacht.

    So patience my friend because these young lakers are competitors with a lot more than upside going for them but in order to be successful they need a stable environment to develop. That means keeping Byron for atlest two more seasons. We cannot continue to hit reset coach wise everytime we encounte adersity. Nonetheless we do need better assistant coaches, if we could get thibs or mike d’antoni or vinni del negro I believe we can see some major growth with both offensive and defensive sets. I mean I look at this team and just think if only we had great fast paced coach or assistant that could help fully utilize the talents of our team we could talk playoffs, but this will honestly be a development season unless D’angelo Russell steps up his game, and by stepping up i mean play at a faster pace, stop hesitating/jerking when he has open 3 pt looks and simply being more aggresive on offense.

  • I dont believe byron scott is a bad coach and we honestly can’t use last season or his lack of playoff births as examples of his inability to succeed.

    We are in a stacked conference and we have some serious competition in our division ie. Warriors, Clippers not to mention phoenix and the kings have been developing/rebuilding for years now. These aren’t meant to be seen as excuses but relistic explanations. We also led the legue in injuries for the past 2-3 seasons. D’antoni left for that reason, why desroy his winning record as coach?where as Byron is taking a sinking ship and trying to remodel it into a yacht.

    So patience my friend because these young lakers are competitors with a lot more than upside going for them but in order to be successful they need a stable environment to develop. That means keeping Byron for atlest two more seasons. We cannot continue to hit reset coach wise everytime we encounte adersity. Nonetheless we do need better assistant coaches, if we could get thibs or mike d’antoni or vinni del negro I believe we can see some major growth with both offensive and defensive sets. I mean I look at this team and just think if only we had great fast paced coach or assistant that could help fully utilize the talents of our team we could talk playoffs, but this will honestly be a development season unless D’angelo Russell steps up his game, and by stepping up i mean play at a faster pace, stop hesitating/jerking when he has open 3 pt looks and simply being more aggresive on offense.

  • Huertas – has very Superior NBA skill and ability, right today ! His abilities are what Our Rookie D’Angelo will have as a Point Guard,
    in about 9 years. Welcome to the Huertas Era ! Huertas is on the same team
    as the NBA’s best Point Guard ever, Magic Johnson – so glad you showed
    us what a point guard is really like, once again

  • Huertas – has very Superior NBA skill and ability, right today ! His abilities are what Our Rookie D’Angelo will have as a Point Guard,
    in about 9 years. Welcome to the Huertas Era ! Huertas is on the same team
    as the NBA’s best Point Guard ever, Magic Johnson – so glad you showed
    us what a point guard is really like, once again

  • Great Scott ! Coach Byron is on the verge of a Great Season, this year. Coach has been to Championships, knows what it takes to win Games – and how to effectively use the D League. Coach has been part of our Laker CHIP. What better coach to make the right decision for Lakes to have more then 30 wins, as predicted by other NBA Analyst, this year. I have great confidence in the abilities of Coach Byron

  • Great Scott ! Coach Byron is on the verge of a Great Season, this year. Coach has been to Championships, knows what it takes to win Games – and how to effectively use the D League. Coach has been part of our Laker CHIP. What better coach to make the right decision for Lakes to have more then 30 wins, as predicted by other NBA Analyst, this year. I have great confidence in the abilities of Coach Byron

  • Really?
    We get it, you have some deep rooted beef with Russell.

    Huertas will burn out by January. He’s an old guy. And, given the team’s pecking order, he won’t get enough minutes to be a major contributor.

    And while Huertas has played well, he’s still a liability on defense.

  • Really?
    We get it, you have some deep rooted beef with Russell.

    Huertas will burn out by January. He’s an old guy. And, given the team’s pecking order, he won’t get enough minutes to be a major contributor.

    And while Huertas has played well, he’s still a liability on defense.

  • I wouldn’t say he can’t coach. Too early to tell. The guy made it to the finals. That is saying something…that with the right group and right talent, he can get the team to the end. Give Coach B sometime. Besides, I think that the coaching changes the last few years have not helped us. At some point you need to give people time to develop, and that means coaches too.

  • I wouldn’t say he can’t coach. Too early to tell. The guy made it to the finals. That is saying something…that with the right group and right talent, he can get the team to the end. Give Coach B sometime. Besides, I think that the coaching changes the last few years have not helped us. At some point you need to give people time to develop, and that means coaches too.

  • This game shows the explosive potential and is a good precursor to the upcoming season. It shows that the team CAN be good when it is firing on all cylinders. It can be exciting. It can score. And if everyone is on their best offensively, they can keep up with the league’s best…..But since it’s a young team, finding a way to get them all to play at a high level CONSISTENTLY will be the key.

    What we saw is the vision that Mitch has assembled. We saw everything that all the rookies, new acquisitions, and potential the team has.

    The good:
    Clarkson – Finally learning how to be an NBA level SG.
    Randle – Total domination and the confidence to do so.
    Young – Emerging as the team’s 3-point specialist.
    Huertas – Exactly what we were promised.
    Kelly – It’s amazing what playing him in his natural position will do.
    Upshaw – If last night didn’t convince the FO that he can replace Sacre…
    Nance – Exactly as promised.

    The bad:
    Russell – Clearly not good enough to be a starter. Passing is good, but taking such a major hit on offensive production and scoring isn’t going to cut it.
    Defense – I’m coming to terms that this team will be absolutely average on defense this year which is actually an improvement over last year.

    Random notes:
    It says a lot that Black didn’t play again!
    Young has edged Frazier to the DLeague with stellar 3-point shooting (but not much else).

    Cuts/Bubble/Etc
    Holmes… See Black…. I think the team is sandbagging Holmes hoping they can stash him.
    Frazier… Much like Holmes, he’s being sandbagged.
    I think BOTH guys will be stashed in hopes that when they trade this year BOTH guys can be brought up. If we lose them, it sucks, but so be it.
    Sacre is gone.
    Cuts: Black, Frazier, Holmes, Sacre

    Here’s a tidbit about Nance….
    “The number is two years. Two years until you are 100% and completely ready to go,” he said of ACL surgery. “I’m 90-ish, 85%. There’s still more athleticism, speed and quickness and stuff like that I still have to gain.

    — I think he’s on a minutes restriciton and that the front office sees him as a Year-2 guy. Imagine that he can get more explosive! Mitch called him the best athlete of the draft.

  • This game shows the explosive potential and is a good precursor to the upcoming season. It shows that the team CAN be good when it is firing on all cylinders. It can be exciting. It can score. And if everyone is on their best offensively, they can keep up with the league’s best…..But since it’s a young team, finding a way to get them all to play at a high level CONSISTENTLY will be the key.

    What we saw is the vision that Mitch has assembled. We saw everything that all the rookies, new acquisitions, and potential the team has.

    The good:
    Clarkson – Finally learning how to be an NBA level SG.
    Randle – Total domination and the confidence to do so.
    Young – Emerging as the team’s 3-point specialist.
    Huertas – Exactly what we were promised.
    Kelly – It’s amazing what playing him in his natural position will do.
    Upshaw – If last night didn’t convince the FO that he can replace Sacre…
    Nance – Exactly as promised in the scouting reports.

    The bad:
    Russell – Clearly not good enough to be a starter. Passing is good, but taking such a major hit on offensive production and scoring isn’t going to cut it.
    Defense – I’m coming to terms that this team will be absolutely average on defense this year which is actually an improvement over last year.

    Random notes:
    It says a lot that Black didn’t play again!
    Young has edged Frazier to the DLeague with stellar 3-point shooting (but not much else).

    Cuts/Bubble/Etc
    Holmes… See Black…. I think the team is sandbagging Holmes hoping they can stash him.
    Frazier… Much like Holmes, he’s being sandbagged.
    I think BOTH guys will be stashed in hopes that when they trade this year BOTH guys can be brought up. If we lose them, it sucks, but so be it.
    Sacre: – cut.
    Cuts: Black, Frazier, Holmes, Sacre

    Here’s a tidbit about Nance….
    “The number is two years. Two years until you are 100% and completely ready to go,” he said of ACL surgery. “I’m 90-ish, 85%. There’s still more athleticism, speed and quickness and stuff like that I still have to gain.

    — I think he’s on a minutes restriction and that the front office sees him as a Year-2 guy. Imagine that he can get more explosive! Mitch called him the best athlete of the draft.

  • If Sacre and Kelly are the second unit front court, we are in deep trouble.

    It’s time BS realizes that Nance/Upshaw is the second unit front court of the future. Slowly but surely, Larry Nance can slip into the starting 3 spot (when he improves from deep). At the moment, guess its safe to start Black/Bass. But god please release Sacre. Keep Kelly as a versatile 3 or 4 who can play a max of 10 mts a night.

    Final Roster for Opening Night:

    Hibbert / Black / Upshaw
    Randle / Bass / Nance Jr / Kelly (whatever)
    Kobe / MWP / ABrown
    Clarkson / Lou / Swaggy
    Russell / Huertas

    Demoted to D-League: Frazier and Holmes (though i would have kept him ahead of Kelly and/or Swaggy.)
    Cut: Robert Sacre, Jabari Brown

  • If Sacre and Kelly are the second unit front court, we are in deep trouble.

    It’s time BS realizes that Nance/Upshaw is the second unit front court of the future. Slowly but surely, Larry Nance can slip into the starting 3 spot (when he improves from deep). At the moment, guess its safe to start Black/Bass. But god please release Sacre. Keep Kelly as a versatile 3 or 4 who can play a max of 10 mts a night.

    Final Roster for Opening Night:

    Hibbert / Black / Upshaw
    Randle / Bass / Nance Jr / Kelly (whatever)
    Kobe / MWP / ABrown
    Clarkson / Lou / Swaggy
    Russell / Huertas

    Demoted to D-League: Frazier and Holmes (though i would have kept him ahead of Kelly and/or Swaggy.)
    Cut: Robert Sacre, Jabari Brown

  • i think you are jumping the gun on Ryan Kelly. First of all, oppositions don’t play much D during pre-season so he’s had an easier path to the hoop (most of his made baskets have been layups). Secondly, Kelly is supposed to be a stretch 4 but he’s a career 34 per cent shooter from deep. I don’t know what exactly he is supposed to be. We’ve seen enough of him through 2 seasons to know that he’s nothing special. Are you changing your opinion about him after a few preseason games? Hmmm. TO compete with modern NBA teams, we need plenty of sharp shooters. This is why Frazier should be kept and groomed, the kid has an amazing stroke.

  • i think you are jumping the gun on Ryan Kelly. First of all, oppositions don’t play much D during pre-season so he’s had an easier path to the hoop (most of his made baskets have been layups). Secondly, Kelly is supposed to be a stretch 4 but he’s a career 34 per cent shooter from deep. I don’t know what exactly he is supposed to be. We’ve seen enough of him through 2 seasons to know that he’s nothing special. Are you changing your opinion about him after a few preseason games? Hmmm. TO compete with modern NBA teams, we need plenty of sharp shooters. This is why Frazier should be kept and groomed, the kid has an amazing stroke.

  • Why keep Black when Bass has outplayed him at the 5 spot. And by playing Bass some minutes at Center, it helps ease the congestion at PF.

    Has Black really shown anything? Or do you have some sort of hopes that a 6’9″ PF who has no PF skills can be a center…. despite being the 3rd or 4th best center option on the team?

  • Why keep Black when Bass has outplayed him at the 5 spot. And by playing Bass some minutes at Center, it helps ease the congestion at PF.

    Has Black really shown anything? Or do you have some sort of hopes that a 6’9″ PF who has no PF skills can be a center…. despite being the 3rd or 4th best center option on the team?

  • Kelly is CLEARLY one of the 15 best players on the team.
    And has way too much value to another team to cut.

    You must be watching a different Kelly, as the one I watch is actually a legitimate backup grade PF for most teams.

    And given Kelly’s ability, trade value, and potential, why would you want to cut him for the sake of some undrafted guy who didn’t shine in preseason?

    Come to terms man…. This isn’t 2014 when Kelly sucked….

  • OUTPLAYED HIM? go and watch the Kings game again. See how our second unit got HAMMERED on the boards. If Bass is going to be our second unit 5, we are are deeeeeep trouble. Black actually has decent post moves and is a very good rebounder. We haven’t seen enough of him this preseason. I’d definitely keep him.

  • Kelly is CLEARLY one of the 15 best players on the team.
    And has way too much value to another team to cut.

    You must be watching a different Kelly, as the one I watch is actually a legitimate backup grade PF for most teams.

    And given Kelly’s ability, trade value, and potential, why would you want to cut him for the sake of some undrafted guy who didn’t shine in preseason?

    Come to terms man…. This isn’t 2014 when Kelly sucked….

  • OUTPLAYED HIM? go and watch the Kings game again. See how our second unit got HAMMERED on the boards. If Bass is going to be our second unit 5, we are are deeeeeep trouble. Black actually has decent post moves and is a very good rebounder. We haven’t seen enough of him this preseason. I’d definitely keep him.

  • you are judging him from a few preseason games. that’s all. nothing more to say about kelly.

  • you are judging him from a few preseason games. that’s all. nothing more to say about kelly.

  • BS, if your idea of small ball is Bass and Kelly in the front court, we are going to get smothered on the boards. Smothered, I say.

  • Maybe the amazing SilverScreenandRoll article that broke down Kelly’s game would sway me more than some fan who doesn’t do research.

    Seems to me like YOU are the only one on this forum who thinks Kelly should be cut. Since you are a fan of modern shenanegans and analytics, maybe you should realize that you are “Statistically” on the outside looking in and it’s worth taking a second look.

  • BS, if your idea of small ball is Bass and Kelly in the front court, we are going to get smothered on the boards. Smothered, I say.

  • Maybe the amazing SilverScreenandRoll article that broke down Kelly’s game would sway me more than some fan who doesn’t do research and makes knee jerk observations based on what HE thinks he sees.

  • you got me all wrong. i’m NOT A FAN of analytics. My eye test tells me everything i need to know about Kelly. It’s very simple really. Ask yourself what is Kelly’s role? Stretch 4? Ok. Look at his career 3-pt statistics. Compare them with other Stretch 4s in the league.

  • you got me all wrong. i’m NOT A FAN of analytics. My eye test tells me everything i need to know about Kelly. It’s very simple really. Ask yourself what is Kelly’s role? Stretch 4? Ok. Look at his career 3-pt statistics. Compare them with other Stretch 4s in the league.

  • You are comparing Kelly when he was given playing time OUT OF POSITION, to how he could play if he were IN HIS CORRECT position.

    Maybe you should pay attention to stats more.

    Regardless, Kelly’s too good to cut.

    When he makes the final roster or gets traded to a team that puts him on their final roster, will you stop posing for a month and spend time doing research before coming back?

  • You are comparing Kelly when he was given playing time OUT OF POSITION, to how he could play if he were IN HIS CORRECT position.

    Maybe you should pay attention to stats more.

    Regardless, Kelly’s too good to cut.

  • positions don’t really hold much relevance. its about “a role” you are supposed to perform. his role is that of a stretch 4. and i’m sorry but he can’t hold a candle to other stretch 4s in the league. you need to stop getting excited just because he made a few defensive plays and got a few easy passes to the paint. judge him by what he is SUPPOSED TO BE. Kelly can’t hit 4 out of 10 threes on a nightly basis. He’s worse than that. Now, that isn’t a very effective stretch 4.

  • I honestly feel like Huertas is going to be inserted in the starting lineup as our PG before Christmas if Russell doesn’t start showing why he was the #2 pick! Playing alongside Clarkson and Kobe(who both love to shoot) could definitely work. He has experience, maturity and the skill to do so.

    Russell playing with the bench unit and two gunners as well in Nick and Lou will probably put less pressure on him and give him room to flourish without the magnifying glass on him. With Clarkson and Randle I see fearless drive and confidence and they are both young yet I don’t see that in Russell(yet).

  • positions don’t really hold much relevance. its about “a role” you are supposed to perform. his role is that of a stretch 4. and i’m sorry but he can’t hold a candle to other stretch 4s in the league. you need to stop getting excited just because he made a few defensive plays and got a few easy passes to the paint. judge him by what he is SUPPOSED TO BE. Kelly can’t hit 4 out of 10 threes on a nightly basis. He’s worse than that. Now, that isn’t a very effective stretch 4.

  • I honestly feel like Huertas is going to be inserted in the starting lineup as our PG before Christmas if Russell doesn’t start showing why he was the #2 pick! Playing alongside Clarkson and Kobe(who both love to shoot) could definitely work. He has experience, maturity and the skill to do so.

    Russell playing with the bench unit and two gunners as well in Nick and Lou will probably put less pressure on him and give him room to flourish without the magnifying glass on him. With Clarkson and Randle I see fearless drive and confidence and they are both young yet I don’t see that in Russell(yet).

  • Then why hasn’t black played in 2 games?

    Black won’t be on the team October 28th.

    This isn’t a discussion about what YOU’d do, it is a discussion about what the front office would do…. Keepign a 1-dimensional Black ties up a roster spot, and if Bass can do the same or better, then there is no purpose for Black.

  • Then why hasn’t black played in 2 games?

    Black won’t be on the team October 28th.

    This isn’t a discussion about what YOU’d do, it is a discussion about what the front office would do…. Keepign a 1-dimensional Black ties up a roster spot, and if Bass can do the same or better, then there is no purpose for Black.

  • I somewhat agree with Lakers Loyalty. If Kelly is worth keeping as our only stretch big he has to shoot better. Also Tarik Black can ball although we have too many bigs. I’m not in favor of them cutting him but if they do some other team will be very, very lucky to get him. I don’t see it happening though.

  • I hope we get some semblance of normal rotations tomorrow, and not playing a unit for 1 whole quarter. It’s the 2nd to the last preseason game, it should be about rotations already and schemes. Scott should be done auditiining players and doing hockey substitutions.

    MY starters

    C- Hibbert
    PF- Randle
    SF- Bryant
    SG- Clarkson
    PG- Russell

    Bench
    C- Upshaw
    PF- Bass
    SF- Young
    SG- Williams
    PG- Huertas
    11th-Black
    12th-Nance Jr.
    13th-Metta

    Non-Active List
    14th- A. Brown
    15th- Kelly

  • I somewhat agree with Lakers Loyalty. If Kelly is worth keeping as our only stretch big he has to shoot better. Also Tarik Black can ball although we have too many bigs. I’m not in favor of them cutting him but if they do some other team will be very, very lucky to get him. I don’t see it happening though.

  • I hope we get some semblance of normal rotations tomorrow, and not playing a unit for 1 whole quarter. It’s the 2nd to the last preseason game, it should be about rotations already and schemes. Scott should be done auditiining players and doing hockey substitutions.

    MY starters

    C- Hibbert
    PF- Randle
    SF- Bryant
    SG- Clarkson
    PG- Russell

    Bench
    C- Upshaw
    PF- Bass
    SF- Young
    SG- Williams
    PG- Huertas
    11th-Black
    12th-Nance Jr.
    13th-Metta

    Non-Active List
    14th- A. Brown
    15th- Kelly

  • You name the coach and he too needs quality players and time to get everyone on the same page.

    Paytc

  • Black really has a good chance to get cut with the development of Nance Jr. Also with Bass and Black almost having the same height, FO might cut Black or he might find himself on the team but on the reserve list.

  • You name the coach and he too needs quality players and time to get everyone on the same page.

    Paytc

  • Black really has a good chance to get cut with the development of Nance Jr. Also with Bass and Black almost having the same height, FO might cut Black or he might find himself on the team but on the reserve list.

  • Black must be carrying an injury. You need to realize that we need good rebounders in the second unit (because once Hibbert and Randle are gone, we are royally screwed). Please see what happened against Kings when Bass and Kelly were in the front court. Our defense had a meltdown. We had no rebounds. ARE YOU SERIOUSLY SUGGESTING THAT BASS AND KELLY SHOULD BE OUR SECOND UNIT FRONT COURT? SERIOUSLY?

  • Black must be carrying an injury. You need to realize that we need good rebounders in the second unit (because once Hibbert and Randle are gone, we are royally screwed). Please see what happened against Kings when Bass and Kelly were in the front court. Our defense had a meltdown. We had no rebounds. ARE YOU SERIOUSLY SUGGESTING THAT BASS AND KELLY SHOULD BE OUR SECOND UNIT FRONT COURT? SERIOUSLY?

  • I’d have to google it but hasn’t he always been touted as being a stretch player? He doesn’t have the size or skills to be a “traditional” big. He can’t post up anyone with that thin little gangly frame and he’s not a good rebounder or defender.

  • I’d have to google it but hasn’t he always been touted as being a stretch player? He doesn’t have the size or skills to be a “traditional” big. He can’t post up anyone with that thin little gangly frame and he’s not a good rebounder or defender.

    ETA this quote from his scouting report in college. “Kelly finds most of his offense, at this point, as a perimeter shooter. He lacks elevation on his jumper, but his consistent mechanics and a quick release, allow him to get his shot off without hesitation and with impressive accuracy. He was one of the top perimeter shooters in the NCAA last season, making an impressive 40% of his 4.7 attempts per 40 minutes pace adjusted.”

    So yeah his stretch capabilities have always been his bread and butter.

  • NycLakerlifer,

    Good points ! But many prefer to point fingers instead of pointing out the obvious problems. This is the best looking group to start the season the Lakers have had since 2010 IMO.

    Now if they can just stay healthy long enough to develop trust, chemistry, and confidence.

    They also must be patient and steadfast trusting the coach and the during the ups and down in the process.

    Go Lakers !

    Paytc

  • Do you realize that behind Hibbert, the #2 and #3 center only gets 18 minutes? And that CLEARLY Upshaw is in the future, whereas Black is a small ball specialist.

    So, IF Upshaw got 8 minutes, is Black really worth keeping for 10 minutes per game? Especially when Black far outplays Black.

    Seems to me like Bass has been Scott’s favorite. And proven by BOTH Scott’s own words and playing time.

    Seems to me like Black is redundant and expendable.

  • ^^ NOT A GOOD REBOUNDER OR DEFENDER but according to our brother here, he’s “just a good player”. GOOD GOD!!!! This preseason could end up doing more harm than good if people suddenly start to assume that Kelly can ball. HE CAN’T!

  • NycLakerlifer,

    Good points ! But many prefer to point fingers instead of pointing out the obvious problems. Many in the media have had fun stirring up additional turmoil to divide the Lakers. This is the best looking group to start the season the Lakers have had since 2010 IMO.

    Now if they can just stay healthy long enough to develop trust, chemistry, and confidence.

    They also must be patient and steadfast trusting the coach during the ups and down in the process.

    Go Lakers !

    Paytc

  • Do you realize that behind Hibbert, the #2 and #3 center only gets 18 minutes? And that CLEARLY Upshaw is in the future, whereas Black is a small ball specialist.

    So, IF Upshaw got 8 minutes, is Black really worth keeping for 10 minutes per game? Especially when Bass far outplays Black.

    Seems to me like Bass has been Scott’s favorite. And proven by BOTH Scott’s own words and playing time.

    Seems to me like Black is redundant and expendable. And the fact that he hasn’t played in either of the last 2 games shows what the front office is thinking.

  • ^^ NOT A GOOD REBOUNDER OR DEFENDER but according to our brother here, he’s “just a good player”. GOOD GOD!!!! This preseason could end up doing more harm than good if people suddenly start to assume that Kelly can ball. HE CAN’T!

  • Lol he’s not that good but he has use for us, just not as much as J thinks.

  • You are stuck in “what he should become”….

    The reality is that he’s a good backup PF as of NOW. And too good to cut.

    He’s clearly in the top 13 players, and probably in the top 10. Why would you cut one of your better players for the sake of him not fitting some definition or role?

  • You are stuck in “what he should become”….

    The reality is that he’s a good backup PF as of NOW. And too good to cut.

    He’s clearly in the top 13 players, and probably in the top 10. Why would you cut one of your better players for the sake of him not fitting some definition or role?

  • Hibbert’s never avgd 30 mts a night his entire career (i might be wrong. but pls refer to his career stats). Roy is not a pounder. He can last only 30 mts on the court. Upshaw isn’t conditioned enough to be the genuine back-up (not yet). So we have no option but to keep Black because Bass is JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH to play the 5. I like Bass but he got dominated by Koufus and WCS. Bass is a good 4 even in a small ball unit But we need a solid rebounder at all times.

  • Hibbert’s never avgd 30 mts a night his entire career (i might be wrong. but pls refer to his career stats). Roy is not a pounder. He can last only 30 mts on the court. Upshaw isn’t conditioned enough to be the genuine back-up (not yet). So we have no option but to keep Black because Bass is JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH to play the 5. I like Bass but he got dominated by Koufus and WCS. Bass is a good 4 even in a small ball unit But we need a solid rebounder at all times.

  • I’m not saying he has a lot of use…
    I’m saying that he’s better than Holmes, Frazier, Sacre, Black and JBrown. And on a “normal team” he’d be equivalent to a backup grade PF.

    And that his trade value is worth too much. And that if he’s kept on the roster another season, he’s not a bad guy to have around.

    Y’all are so focused on project players and developing guys who went undrafted that you have tunnel vision. UNDRAFTED means not good enough for the NBA and that EVERY GM in the league passed on them twice.

  • I’m not saying he has a lot of use…
    I’m saying that he’s better than Holmes, Frazier, Sacre, Black and JBrown. And on a “normal team” he’d be equivalent to a backup grade PF.

    And that his trade value is worth too much. And that if he’s kept on the roster another season, he’s not a bad guy to have around.

    Y’all are so focused on project players and developing guys who went undrafted that you have tunnel vision. UNDRAFTED means not good enough for the NBA and that EVERY GM in the league passed on them twice.

  • No I’m not. Ryan Kelly is what he is. He truly puzzles and amuses me. He will be on the roster but I’m not going to overrate his skill-set. If he’s always been touted as a stretch four he needs to showcase that. His shooting has to improve.

  • i like it. but i’d keep an eye on the progress made by Holmes and Frazier with D-Fenders.

  • My guess is Byron may be right at the point you are suggesting. But in all fairness Byron had his hands full trying to evaluate so many new players. Plus a few players picked up a few nagging injuries that helped prolong the full evaluation process.

    I like your player selections with the exception of not seeing Jabari Brown who I think will develop into quite the player too soon. I know we are stacked at the guard position but he is a keeper IMO.

    I am not against or agreeing with your starting lineup and back up units because I think that may still be a work in progress and Byron Scott has to determine that out IMO. It may change a couple of weeks into the season depending on how the rotations and the team and each player is playing.

    Paytc

  • No I’m not. Ryan Kelly is what he is. He truly puzzles and amuses me. He will be on the roster but I’m not going to overrate his skill-set. If he’s always been touted as a stretch four he needs to showcase that. His shooting has to improve.

  • i like it. but i’d keep an eye on the progress made by Holmes and Frazier with D-Fenders.

  • My guess is Byron may be right at the point you are suggesting. But in all fairness Byron had his hands full trying to evaluate so many new players. Plus a few players picked up a few nagging injuries that helped prolong the full evaluation process.

    I like your player selections with the exception of not seeing Jabari Brown who I think will develop into quite the player too soon. I know we are stacked at the guard position but he is a keeper IMO.

    I am not against or agreeing with your starting lineup and back up units because I think that may still be a work in progress and Byron Scott has to determine that out IMO. It may change a couple of weeks into the season depending on how the rotations, the team, and each player is playing.

    Paytc

  • I never called him a stretch.
    All I said is that he makes the final roster (which you agree with).

  • ^^ this is what i’ve been trying to harp about! kelly must be the first stretch 4 who is a mediocre percentage shooter. FIRST EVER!

  • I never called him a stretch.
    All I said is that he makes the final roster (which you agree with).

  • ^^ this is what i’ve been trying to harp about! kelly must be the first stretch 4 who is a mediocre percentage shooter. FIRST EVER!

  • Why has hibbert played 32 minutes in preseason?
    And his average is 28… are you really going to split hairs?

    Let’s see how things settle…. you seem to know more than the rest of us….

  • Why has hibbert played 32 minutes in preseason?
    And his average is 28… are you really going to split hairs?

    Let’s see how things settle…. you seem to know more than the rest of us….

  • I wouldn’t push it and comparing that group of players is insane as they all bring different skills to the table depending on what you need. I don’t know why you’re so heII bent on this lol.

    For redundancy purposes Black would be cut since they brought over Bass but that doesn’t equate to Kelly being better than him, or J. Brown. They do two different things but since Black and Bass are similar one might have to go and obviously it’ll be Black. They brought in Bass for veteran mentorship for Randle and because he can ball. You need to learn how to separate the two and stop lumping them all in one big gumbo pot.

    I’m not focused on anything, please stop saying stuff like that. Not good enough? Tell that to John Starks, Ben Wallace, or Wesley Matthews. Shall I go on?

  • I wouldn’t push it and comparing that group of players is insane as they all bring different skills to the table depending on what you need. I don’t know why you’re so heII bent on this lol.

    For redundancy purposes Black would be cut since they brought over Bass but that doesn’t equate to Kelly being better than him, or J. Brown. They do two different things but since Black and Bass are similar one might have to go and obviously it’ll be Black. They brought in Bass for veteran mentorship for Randle and because he can ball. You need to learn how to separate the two and stop lumping them all in one big gumbo pot.

    I’m not focused on anything, please stop saying stuff like that. Not good enough? Tell that to John Starks, Ben Wallace, or Wesley Matthews. Shall I go on?

  • ya but hibbert will still avg on 30 mts per game. my only worry is BS thinks he can go small ball with Bass and Kelly in the front court. That spells like disaster to me.

  • ya but hibbert will still avg on 30 mts per game. my only worry is BS thinks he can go small ball with Bass and Kelly in the front court. That spells like disaster to me.

  • Rotation:

    C – Hibbert / Black
    PF – Randle / Bass
    SF – Bryant / Young
    SG – Clarkson / Williams
    PG – Russell / Huertas

    Reserves:

    C – Upshaw
    PF – Nance / Kelly
    SF – World Peace / Brown

    Season Prediction:
    32-50

  • Rotation:

    C – Hibbert / Black
    PF – Randle / Bass
    SF – Bryant / Young
    SG – Clarkson / Williams
    PG – Russell / Huertas

    Reserves:

    C – Upshaw
    PF – Nance / Kelly
    SF – World Peace / Brown

    Season Prediction:
    32-50

  • Best small ball line-ups (IMO)
    1st Unit: Nance-Randle-Kobe-Clarkson-Huertas
    2nd Unit: Bass-MWP-Kelly(if he can shoot 3s)-Lou-Russell
    3rd Unit: Black-Brown-Swaggy-Kobe-Russell

  • Best small ball line-ups (IMO)
    1st Unit: Nance-Randle-Kobe-Clarkson-Huertas
    2nd Unit: Bass-MWP-Kelly(if he can shoot 3s)-Lou-Russell
    3rd Unit: Black-Brown-Swaggy-Kobe-Russell

  • I look at the final 2 roster spaces… And with 2 roster spaces…. Kelly IS better than all of the guys you say aren’t comparables.

  • I look at the final 2 roster spaces… And with 2 roster spaces…. Kelly IS better than all of the guys you say aren’t comparables.

  • I know you didn’t but you were debating Lakers Loyalty on the label Ryan Kelly has as a stretch.

  • I know you didn’t but you were debating Lakers Loyalty on the label Ryan Kelly has as a stretch and he is one.

  • To me, Russell hasn’t shown enough offense to be on the 1st team.

    If all he can do is “pass the ball”, then Huertas has shown to be a better solution.

    But,
    I’m not sure that EITHER guy will be running with the 1st team when things matter. Russell is a liability, Huertas is old and slow… Seems to me that Williams, Kobe, and Clarkson is the best solution.

  • To me, Russell hasn’t shown enough offense to be on the 1st team.

    If all he can do is “pass the ball”, then Huertas has shown to be a better solution.

    But,
    I’m not sure that EITHER guy will be running with the 1st team when things matter. Russell is a liability, Huertas is old and slow… Seems to me that Williams, Kobe, and Clarkson is the best solution.

  • re-read my posts.
    I’ve never called Kelly a stretch.

    HE wants to call him a stretch and is arguing that because he’s not quite a stretch that he should be cut. HE thinks Kelly is garbage and should be cut.

  • re-read my posts.
    I’ve never called Kelly a stretch.

    HE wants to call him a stretch and is arguing that because he’s not quite a stretch that he should be cut. HE thinks Kelly is garbage and should be cut.

  • Russell hasn’t shown enough of anything yet. The media will be brutal on him unless he steps it up.

    Hmm maybe in close games in the fourth quarter but that might deplete the bench otherwise. Lou seems to captain that unit. Then would Russell slide to SG in that scenario? Playing Russell and Huertas together seems redundant. Both do the same things and are slow footed.

  • Russell hasn’t shown enough of anything yet. The media will be brutal on him unless he steps it up.

    Hmm maybe in close games in the fourth quarter but that might deplete the bench otherwise. Lou seems to captain that unit. Then would Russell slide to SG in that scenario? Playing Russell and Huertas together seems redundant. Both do the same things and are slow footed.

  • No I got it. I agree with both of you. On one hand Ryan isn’t quite good enough for a supposed stretch four but I also know and understand he won’t be cut.

    You said he “might be a stretch” if he isn’t what other reason would you believe they need to keep him for? What does he do better than the other players you mentioned that deserve to be cut?

  • No I got it. I agree with both of you. On one hand Ryan isn’t quite good enough for a supposed stretch four but I also know and understand he won’t be cut.

    You said he “might be a stretch” if he isn’t what other reason would you believe they need to keep him for? What does he do better than the other players you mentioned that deserve to be cut?

  • I’m not sure that Russell gets any relevant minutes outside of being on the floor for the first 7 minutes of the game.

    In every game, that I’ve watched with Williams, he seems to be in the right places at the right times, and ways manages to come up with a score. And as of today, I’d argue that he’s one of the 5 best players on the team…. Having him on the bench at the critical times (and playing Russell) seems a bit lofty…. Russell’s not that good YET, and not at the expense of losing just to give Russell playing time.

  • I’m not sure that Russell gets any relevant minutes outside of being on the floor for the first 7 minutes of the game.

    In every game that I’ve watched with Williams, he seems to be in the right places at the right times, and ways manages to come up with a score. And as of today, I’d argue that he’s one of the 5 best players on the team…. Having him on the bench at the critical times (and playing Russell) seems a bit lofty…. Russell’s not that good YET, and not at the expense of losing just to give Russell playing time.

  • Seems like Nance AND Bass have outplayed the team’s small ball specialist.

    And yet, some think Black is going to make the team.

  • Seems like Nance AND Bass have outplayed the team’s small ball specialist.

    And yet, some think Black is going to make the team.

  • Good point! It will be interesting to see what lineups Bryon throws out there in close games in the fourth. Your lineup might be best. In terms of just regular rotations though I might have to see how Huertas would manager as a starter if Russell doesn’t up the production.

  • Good point! It will be interesting to see what lineups Bryon throws out there in close games in the fourth. Your lineup might be best. In terms of just regular rotations though I might have to see how Huertas would manager as a starter if Russell doesn’t up the production.

  • Replacing coach Phil Jackson are big shoes to fill. I think Byron Scott will be just fine. I already see a great team being formed here. As far as coach and goes in the future I am Not sure what will happen but to me if they get the right chemistry and coaching and advisory this team will be great again. I wish Jerry West would become an advisor like he is for the Golden State Warriors. He put his time in with the Lakers and I would sure like to see him come back.

  • Replacing coach Phil Jackson are big shoes to fill. I think Byron Scott will be just fine. I already see a great team being formed here. As far as coach and goes in the future I am Not sure what will happen but to me if they get the right chemistry and coaching and advisory this team will be great again. I wish Jerry West would become an advisor like he is for the Golden State Warriors. He put his time in with the Lakers and I would sure like to see him come back.

  • I agree, that Black may be the center who gets cut, with Bass being capable of playing small ball center. Sacre and Upshaw will be the fillers if need be

  • I agree, that Black may be the center who gets cut, with Bass being capable of playing small ball center. Sacre and Upshaw will be the fillers if need be

  • He is a good PF and a shooter. And i believe that he will become a stretch (much like Ryan Anderson).

    But, regardless, the fact that he is a proven NBA level PF, and that he’s a “project stretch-4” makes him too valuable to cut.

    To me, Nance should replace Kelly by mid-season in similar roles, and that Kelly has no major place (or role) on this team, but that doesn’t belittle his ability to have a place on another team, or that he COULD have a future with the Lakers. Basically, he has too much value to cut, regardless if he plays or contributes. And not just for this year’s team, but for other teams (via trade) and this team in the future.

    Kelly’s going to make the team and probably be inactive… I accept this.

  • Kelly is a good PF and a shooter. And i believe that he will become a stretch (much like Ryan Anderson). What you are seeing now, is EXACTLY what he was drafted to become, and what he should have been like a year ago. Except, that he got a weird hamstring injury, and that the team played him at SF because they had too many PF’s (Jordan Hill, Davis, Boozer, Black).

    But, regardless, the fact that he is a proven NBA level PF, and that he’s a “project stretch-4” makes him too valuable to cut. Realize that Kelly IS NBA grade, and has 8-10 more years in the league. And that he has 2-3 more years to grow as a player. He’s already shown more than Holmes, Frazier, JBrown, and Black in that he COULD be a #2 PF as of today. And if you give all 5 guys the same 2-3 year growth outlook he actually turns into an NBA level stretch-4, where the other guys turn into bench grade guys (at best).

    To me, Nance should replace Kelly by mid-season in similar roles, and that Kelly has no major place (or role) on this team. But that doesn’t belittle his ability to have a place on another team, or that he COULD have a future with the Lakers. Basically, he has too much value to cut, regardless if he plays or contributes, and not just for this year’s team, but for other teams (via trade) and this team in the future.

    Kelly’s going to make the team and probably be inactive… I accept this.

  • Dlo,Huertas(Huertas can start too)
    JC,Lou,jbrown
    Kobe,SwagP,MWP,abrown
    Randle,bass,nance jr
    Hibbert,black,upshaw

    sacre, kelly cut

  • Dlo,Huertas(Huertas can start too)
    JC,Lou,jbrown
    Kobe,SwagP,MWP,abrown
    Randle,bass,nance jr
    Hibbert,black,upshaw

    sacre, kelly cut

  • At least we have Ryan West, who seems to be good at drafting talent. He should be the future gm once Mitch retires or takes Jim’s title of Bball ops

  • At least we have Ryan West, who seems to be good at drafting talent. He should be the future gm once Mitch retires or takes Jim’s title of Bball ops

  • Log jam at the PF with Randle, Bass, Kelly, Nance, and possibly MWP. I expect a mid-season trade to get rid of Bass and/or Kelly to get Nance some playing time if LAL are out of the playoff picture come trade-deadline

  • Log jam at the PF with Randle, Bass, Kelly, Nance, and possibly MWP. I expect a mid-season trade to get rid of Bass and/or Kelly to get Nance some playing time if LAL are out of the playoff picture come trade-deadline

  • Kings game?
    I remember the Utah game where he scored 14 points in 2 quarters.

    When was the last time Black scored 14 points EVER?

  • Kings game?
    I remember the Utah game where he scored 14 points in 2 quarters.

    When was the last time Black scored 14 points EVER?

  • Hibbert, Upshaw.
    Then use MWP, Bass, or Kelly for the rest.

    Is Black really worth using a roster spot when there are 3 other solutions… He’s only going to get 10 minutes per game at best. And technically, MWP, Bass, and Kelly are the same size……

  • Hibbert, Upshaw.
    Then use MWP, Bass, Kelly or Randle for the rest of the minutes. Technically, MWP, Bass, and Kelly are the same height (or taller).

    Is Black really worth using a roster spot when there are 3 other solutions… He’s only going to get 10 minutes per game at best.

    ** I’m not anti-Black… I just don’t see a spot for him with a 15-man roster limit. I see him as replaceable, and as a 1-dimensional guy, his future is limited. Tough decisions have to be made, and I don’t think Black has enough of a “total package” to be kept.

  • So you wanna go super small. What if Hibbert gets injured?
    I’d keep Hibbert/Sacre/Upshaw

  • So you wanna go super small. What if Hibbert gets injured?
    I’d keep Hibbert/Sacre/Upshaw

  • What you all are forgetting in your discussion re Kelly is that he was hampered by injury last season so he’s just starting to play to his capabilities. Should improve further.

  • What you all are forgetting in your discussion re Kelly is that he was hampered by injury last season so he’s just starting to play to his capabilities. Should improve further.

  • “Super small”
    MWP, Kelly, Randle and Bass are the same height as Black (or taller!). And, all 3 guys have a lot more experience and aren’t foul magnets. Black is only 6’9″.

    If Hibbert gets injured, the team is screwed. Neither Black or Upshaw are capable solutions. <- This is why I've been saying the team still needs a #2 center, and that Black and Upshaw are nothing more than a #3 center (aka "project").

  • “Super small”???
    MWP, Kelly, Randle and Bass are the same height as Black. And, all 3 guys have a lot more experience and aren’t foul magnets. Black is only 6’9″. Nance would also be included in the discussion…

    If Hibbert gets injured, the team is screwed. Neither Black or Upshaw are capable solutions. <- This is why I've been saying the team still needs a #2 center, and that Black and Upshaw are nothing more than a #3 center (aka "project").

    *Mitch said a long time ago that he's still looking for a "traditional center" and I wouldn't be surprised if he picks one up (via Free agency or trade) in the next week.

  • I’d have to disagree man. I’ll make a few points to paint a clearer picture. Ryan Kelly came into the league with foot issues, was very slow, lanky and out of shape it was like all his energy was wasted on running up and down the floor, he often looked lost on plays and just didn’t rotate on defense or play aggressively settling for long two pt shots after a head fake and never really went to the basket or drew fouls.

    The Ryan Kelly as of let is a different player the guy finally looks healthy, he’s grown into his body and has actual body control. He has improved his game in the same way Chicago’s Doug McDermott has, improving overall physical conditioning, defense and stroke. The guy is consistency getting blocks and taking his man off the dribble. Remember he is playing against strong bigs like Julius and black, tall bigs like upshaw and hibbert and athletic freaks like Larry lance Jr. And that competition is fueling his game. Kobe no longer has to play heroe ball and we have two amazing pass first point guards. Something the lakers haven’t had since magic Johnson, point forward Lamar odom and pau gasol.

    I thought I’d never be defending Ryan Kelly after his terrible years with the team but the dudes really improved this off season, shooting, passing, rebounding,defense/blocks and physical conditioning. I’ll tell you what this Ryan Kelly runs circles around his old self.

  • I’d have to disagree man. I’ll make a few points to paint a clearer picture. Ryan Kelly came into the league with foot issues, was very slow, lanky and out of shape it was like all his energy was wasted on running up and down the floor, he often looked lost on plays and just didn’t rotate on defense or play aggressively settling for long two pt shots after a head fake and never really went to the basket or drew fouls.

    The Ryan Kelly as of let is a different player the guy finally looks healthy, he’s grown into his body and has actual body control. He has improved his game in the same way Chicago’s Doug McDermott has, improving overall physical conditioning, defense and stroke. The guy is consistency getting blocks and taking his man off the dribble. Remember he is playing against strong bigs like Julius and black, tall bigs like upshaw and hibbert and athletic freaks like Larry lance Jr. And that competition is fueling his game. Kobe no longer has to play heroe ball and we have two amazing pass first point guards. Something the lakers haven’t had since magic Johnson, point forward Lamar odom and pau gasol.

    I thought I’d never be defending Ryan Kelly after his terrible years with the team but the dudes really improved this off season, shooting, passing, rebounding,defense/blocks and physical conditioning. I’ll tell you what this Ryan Kelly runs circles around his old self.

  • Looks likely our high draft pick rookie D’Angelo Russell is going to be a bust! He is not good enough to be a starter now, even without Kobe Bryant hogging the ball.

  • You can’t rely on Upshaw being your only rim protector with legit size. And Hibbert has never avgeraged more than 30mpg and the west has plenty of bigs you need to matchup with

  • Looks likely our high draft pick rookie D’Angelo Russell is going to be a bust! He is not good enough to be a starter now, even without Kobe Bryant hogging the ball.

  • You can’t rely on Upshaw being your only rim protector with legit size. And Hibbert has never avgeraged more than 30mpg and the west has plenty of bigs you need to matchup with

  • Kelly played good under D’Antoni, that’s how he got re-signed to a two yr deal

  • Kelly played good under D’Antoni, that’s how he got re-signed to a two yr deal

  • Wow, hasn’t played ONE regular season game and you have him as a bust……I guess you have no agenda…. NOT
    BTW, Kobe hasn’t “Hogged” the ball once this year…

  • Wow, hasn’t played ONE regular season game and you have him as a bust……I guess you have no agenda…. NOT
    BTW, Kobe hasn’t “Hogged” the ball once this year…

  • MWP is a small forward who happens to be strong enough to play the 4, Ryan Kelly is our only true stretch 4, Randle is our starter, Bass is our 2nd unit PF, Nance Jr and Kelly will see limited playing time. Nance is working on his outside shot so he can play some 3, with his defense and hops, he would be great.

  • Can you rely on Black the Foul Magnet?

    He doesn’t have size… All he has is 1 year of partial experience. I think MWP has more experience at center. Bass might too…. Kelly could…. and Nance is a better athlete.

    Outside of sentimental value, what does Black represent that he should be ensured a roster space? Especially when 4 other players could fill his role and might do better?

    Black is 6’9″ with low scoring and a foul machine…

    -vs –

    MWP – 6’7″ and both stronger and experienced at the 5.
    Bass – 6’8″ and Scott’s favorite as the small ball center.
    Kelly – 6’11” and taller.
    Randle – 6’9″ and both more agile and better scoring.

  • MWP is a small forward who happens to be strong enough to play the 4, Ryan Kelly is our only true stretch 4, Randle is our starter, Bass is our 2nd unit PF, Nance Jr and Kelly will see limited playing time. Nance is working on his outside shot so he can play some 3, with his defense and hops, he would be great.

  • Can you rely on Black the Foul Magnet? If Hibbert goes down the team is screwed regardless of who is the backup.

    Black doesn’t have size… All he has is 1 year of partial experience. I think MWP has more experience at center. Bass might too…. Kelly could…. and Nance is a better athlete.

    Outside of sentimental value, what does Black represent that he should be ensured a roster space? Especially when 4 other players could fill his role and might do better?

    Black is 6’9″ with low scoring and a foul machine…

    -vs –

    MWP – 6’7″ and both stronger and experienced at the 5.
    Bass – 6’8″ and Scott’s favorite as the small ball center.
    Kelly – 6’11” and taller.
    Randle – 6’9″ and both more agile and better scoring.
    Nance – 6’10” and both taller and a much better rebounder.

  • I have this weird feeling that black will be cut since he’s a redundant player on this roster.
    Russell / Huertas
    Clarkson / Lou / A brown
    Kobe / Young / MWP
    Randle / Bass / Kelly / Nance Jr
    Hibbert / Upshaw / Sacre

  • I have this weird feeling that black will be cut since he’s a redundant player on this roster.
    Russell / Huertas
    Clarkson / Lou / A brown
    Kobe / Young / MWP
    Randle / Bass / Kelly / Nance Jr
    Hibbert / Upshaw / Sacre

  • Black is the best finisher in pick and roll situations. His wingspan makes up for his height and he is athletic and a great offensive rebounder.

    All I’m saying is that the team will have 3 of the following: Hibbert, Black, Sacre, Upshaw

  • Cut Sacre and Kelly……Along with Frazier and Holmes who you didn’t mention I assume. Personally I see them cutting Jabari before Kelly, Kelly has a 1.7 million dollar salary (ALL GUARANTEED ) and is our only stretch four, Jabari’s role is more than filled by Clarkson, Lou, Anthony Brown and Swaggy.

  • I’m saying the team cuts Black and Sacre.

    Sacre is a dead man walking, and that Black doesn’t represent anything that the team can’t match with a player that will make the roster.

  • Black is the best finisher in pick and roll situations. His wingspan makes up for his height and he is athletic and a great offensive rebounder.

    All I’m saying is that the team will have 3 of the following: Hibbert, Black, Sacre, Upshaw

  • Cut Sacre and Kelly……Along with Frazier and Holmes who you didn’t mention I assume. Personally I see them cutting Jabari before Kelly, Kelly has a 1.7 million dollar salary (ALL GUARANTEED ) and is our only stretch four, Jabari’s role is more than filled by Clarkson, Lou, Anthony Brown and Swaggy.

  • I’m saying the team cuts Black and Sacre.

    Sacre is a dead man walking, and that Black doesn’t represent anything that the team can’t match with a player that will make the roster.

  • You can’t rely on Upshaw RIGHT NOW, in 25 games you more than should be able to, until then Black will back Hibbert up just fine, Sacre would be my 2nd choice after Black as he’s slow and even more of a foul magnet than Black.

  • Explain to me how Black beats Nance?
    or Bass?
    or Randle?
    or Kelly?
    or MWP?

    Especially when he isn’t taller, more experienced, or a better rebounder?

    Seems to me like folks have convinced themselves that Black is a lock and have forgotten that he’s an undrafted PF at 6’9″ who got 10+ fouls per game in the Summer league trying to play center, and that he hasn’t played in EITHER of the last 2 Pre-Season games.

    And, some how people completely ignore the fact that Scott said he liked Bass as the small ball center.

    The writing is on the wall….

  • You can’t rely on Upshaw RIGHT NOW, in 25 games you more than should be able to, until then Black will back Hibbert up just fine, Sacre would be my 2nd choice after Black as he’s slow and even more of a foul magnet than Black.

  • Explain to me how Black beats Nance?
    or Bass?
    or Randle?
    or Kelly?
    or MWP?

    Especially when he isn’t taller, more experienced, or a better rebounder?

    Seems to me like folks have convinced themselves that Black is a lock and have forgotten that he’s an undrafted PF at 6’9″ who got 10+ fouls per game in the Summer league trying to play center, and that he hasn’t played in EITHER of the last 2 Pre-Season games.

    And, some how people completely ignore the fact that Scott said he liked Bass as the small ball center.

    The writing is on the wall….

  • All i said was to keep either Sacre or Black to go with Hibbert/Upshaw.

    Russell/Huertas
    Clarkson/Williams/ABrown
    Bryant/Young/MWP
    Randle/Bass/Kelly/Nance
    Hibbert/Black(or Sacre/Upshaw

    That’s my 15.
    If you want to keep JBrown or Frazier then cut MWP

  • All i said was to keep either Sacre or Black to go with Hibbert/Upshaw.

    Russell/Huertas
    Clarkson/Williams/ABrown
    Bryant/Young/MWP
    Randle/Bass/Kelly/Nance
    Hibbert/Black(or Sacre)/Upshaw

    That’s my 15.
    If you want to keep JBrown or Frazier then cut MWP

  • WRONG, Clarkson shot almost exactly the same number of shots, why? because he’s a shooting guard too, and that’s what shooting guards do, shoot…..

  • WRONG, Clarkson shot almost exactly the same number of shots, why? because he’s a shooting guard too, and that’s what shooting guards do, shoot…..

  • he did not hogg the ball the team needed him to shoot inorder to keep the game close because everyone was off

  • he did not hogg the ball the team needed him to shoot inorder to keep the game close because everyone was off

  • he can shot any shot there is and last season he shot 45% from the short corner three

  • he can shoot any shot there is and last season he shot 45% from the short corner three

  • he took shots he had to shoot. the team needed him to be agressive because the other players were having a hard time even getting shots off

  • he took shots he had to shoot. the team needed him to be agressive because the other players were having a hard time even getting shots off

  • Because Kobe wasn’t looking to pass. He forced shots, and didn’t try to get others involved. Just being real here. The other games Kobe played well and mostly doing spot up shooting

  • ok. but he shot 37% overall and was taking far too many shots and wasn’t helping the team

  • Because Kobe wasn’t looking to pass. He forced shots, and didn’t try to get others involved. Just being real here. The other games Kobe played well and mostly doing spot up shooting

  • ok. but he shot 37% overall and was taking far too many shots and wasn’t helping the team

  • Byron Scott will be just fine if he keeps getting pass because of his Lakers playing career. No, BS has done nothing to show he is the right coach for Lakers. What has he done so far that impresssed you?

  • Byron Scott will be just fine if he keeps getting pass because of his Lakers playing career. No, BS has done nothing to show he is the right coach for Lakers. What has he done so far that impresssed you?

  • I’m impressed by his ability to blame everyone but himself, and his seamless ability to lose games from winning positions.

  • i would close with lou kobe young, ran, hibbert. jc cant shoot yet so teams will play off of him

  • I’m impressed by his ability to blame everyone but himself, and his seamless ability to lose games from winning positions.

  • i would close with lou kobe young, ran, hibbert. jc cant shoot yet so teams will play off of him

  • If Sacre survives the cut.. I’m gonna find u Byron, find u and kick u square in the nuts!!!

  • If Sacre survives the cut.. I’m gonna find u Byron, find u and kick u square in the nuts!!!

  • LOL. BTW I am not surprised if none of his fans can answer the question. Byron Scott has given them absolutely nothing to shout about his performance. He needs to go if he fails again to improve the team this seasons with much better players.

  • LOL. BTW I am not surprised if none of his fans can answer the question. Byron Scott has given them absolutely nothing to shout about his performance. He needs to go if he fails again to improve the team this seasons with much better players.

  • why you acting as if Black didnt have a solid rookie season last season? He’s the best finisher after Bass of the big men and is the most ambidextrous. also he’s quick and wears his defender out by banging bodies. He isnt the best shot blocker but he is a good defender and has nice lateral quickness

  • why you acting as if Black didnt have a solid rookie season last season? He’s the best finisher after Bass of the big men and is the most ambidextrous. also he’s quick and wears his defender out by banging bodies. He isnt the best shot blocker but he is a good defender and has nice lateral quickness

  • Kelly doesnt have athleticism but definitely has skills and iq to make up for it. It’s just his confidence and decision making, but he is significantly more effective when played at the four

  • Kelly doesnt have athleticism but definitely has skills and iq to make up for it. It’s just his confidence and decision making, but he is significantly more effective when played at the four

  • Kelly doesnt have athleticism but definitely has skills and iq to make up for it. It’s just his confidence and decision making, but he is significantly more effective when played at the four

  • dude
    Mette is 6’7″, Black is 6’9″ and Kelly is 6’11” nearly a 7 footer.

  • Black is a great hustle player and ball catcher. Definitely a better center than Kelly or Metta.

  • Black is a great hustle player and ball catcher. Definitely a better center than Kelly or Metta.

  • I think they need Black for the teams that play small ball, so possibly Kelly may be on the bubble or Meta.

  • I think they need Black for the teams that play small ball, so possibly Kelly may be on the bubble or Meta.

  • I think they need Black for the teams that play small ball, so possibly Kelly may be on the bubble or Meta.

  • Russell/Huertas
    Clarkson/Williams/ABrown
    Bryant/Young/MWP
    Randle/Bass/Kelly/Nance
    Hibbert/Black(or Sacre)/Upshaw

    That’s my 15.
    If you want to keep JBrown or Frazier then cut MWP

  • Russell/Huertas
    Clarkson/Williams/ABrown
    Bryant/Young/MWP
    Randle/Bass/Kelly/Nance
    Hibbert/Black(or Sacre)/Upshaw

    That’s my 15.
    If you want to keep JBrown or Frazier then cut MWP

  • I hope the team can be consistent during the regular season and, maybe, we’ll be able to get to the playoffs!

    It was really nice to see Huertas making plays for others. Randle and Clarkson have a bright future. Regarding Russel, give him a couple of years. He has a huge potential.

  • I hope the team can be consistent during the regular season and, maybe, we’ll be able to get to the playoffs!

    It was really nice to see Huertas making plays for others. Randle and Clarkson have a bright future. Regarding Russel, give him a couple of years. He has a huge potential.

  • I see what you’re saying. So you think the team cuts MWP and keeps Jabari Brown as well as Anthony brown?

  • I see what you’re saying. So you think the team cuts MWP and keeps Jabari Brown as well as Anthony brown?

  • Why would you have to cut ABrown? And he is probably the best perimeter defender on the team

  • Why would you have to cut ABrown? And he is probably the best perimeter defender on the team

  • Why would you have to cut ABrown? And he is probably the best perimeter defender on the team

  • I don’t think his head was in that game with the Lamar situation going on, give him a break.

  • I don’t think his head was in that game with the Lamar situation going on, give him a break.

  • I don’t think his head was in that game with the Lamar situation going on, give him a break.

  • I wouldn’t…I’d cut MWP and then bring him back as a consultant to work with Brown and others on defense.

    I think MWP makes sense for a playoff team that needs an edge (like OKC), but not for a rebuilding team that needs youth.

  • I wouldn’t…I’d cut MWP and then bring him back as a consultant to work with Brown and others on defense.

    I think MWP makes sense for a playoff team that needs an edge (like OKC), but not for a rebuilding team that needs youth.

  • I waffle on JBrown every day. Since it’s Monday, I’ll say keep him. Will probably change my mind again tomorrow!

    If they do cut him, I’m tempted to risk running Kobe as the third SG and going with another Forward (Holmes) or Center (Upshaw) in the 15 spot.

  • I waffle on JBrown every day. Since it’s Monday, I’ll say keep him. Will probably change my mind again tomorrow!

    If they do cut him, I’m tempted to risk running Kobe as the third SG and going with another Forward (Holmes) or Center (Upshaw) in the 15 spot.

  • 2 NBA Finals appearances with losses against the Shaq/Kobe Lakers and the San Antonio Spurs teams, multiple winning seasons with a solid New Orleans Hornets teams. It’s when he’s had bad teams that he’s accumulated losses. He’s not a bad coach, but you can’t win crap with a bad roster. All Scott has had as a Lakers coach is a bad roster.

  • 2 NBA Finals appearances with losses against the Shaq/Kobe Lakers and the San Antonio Spurs teams, multiple winning seasons with a solid New Orleans Hornets teams. It’s when he’s had bad teams that he’s accumulated losses. He’s not a bad coach, but you can’t win crap with a bad roster. All Scott has had as a Lakers coach is a bad roster.

  • Since Tarik is playing the backup C role, cutting him would be premature. Upshaw still needs a lot of work despite how good he’s been. He’s definitely better than Suckre, but there is work there that needs to be done. Till then, Black will suffice. We have a ton of PF’s though, we don’t need Kelly unless we really want him as the 15th guy. Really this spot should be reserved for emergency or another guard though.

  • Since Tarik is playing the backup C role, cutting him would be premature. Upshaw still needs a lot of work despite how good he’s been. He’s definitely better than Suckre, but there is work there that needs to be done. Till then, Black will suffice. We have a ton of PF’s though, we don’t need Kelly unless we really want him as the 15th guy. Really this spot should be reserved for emergency or another guard though.

  • I doubt that’ll be our small ball, especially if they get murdered on the boards. If you do that though, you have Russell, Clarkson, Kobe/Metta, Kelly and Bass out there. I say the other 3 because they’re good rebounders for guards. Those young legs of our guards can get up there and get some of those balls. If it’s Metta in there, he can bang for some rebounds as well. We’ll see, though I’m not a fan of that front court. I think you almost have to use Nance in that spot, between those long arms, those hops of his, same 6’9″ size, in a small ball lineup the guy would be a good shot blocker to have and have the ups to get rebounds. Showing that 3pt shot though last game, if he can be consistent with that you lose the need for Kelly and you can do a Nance/Bass front court.

  • I doubt that’ll be our small ball, especially if they get murdered on the boards. If you do that though, you have Russell, Clarkson, Kobe/Metta, Kelly and Bass out there. I say the other 3 because they’re good rebounders for guards. Those young legs of our guards can get up there and get some of those balls. If it’s Metta in there, he can bang for some rebounds as well. We’ll see, though I’m not a fan of that front court. I think you almost have to use Nance in that spot, between those long arms, those hops of his, same 6’9″ size, in a small ball lineup the guy would be a good shot blocker to have and have the ups to get rebounds. Showing that 3pt shot though last game, if he can be consistent with that you lose the need for Kelly and you can do a Nance/Bass front court.

  • I’m of the opinion you’re going to see Russell starting because Byron is going to want him playing with Clarkson and Randle, but you’re going to see Jordan at point, Williams at SG and Kobe at SF at the end of the game. Remember, it’s not who starts, it’s who finishes. This used to be something that was stressed during the says when Bynum and Gasol would start but Odom and Gasol would finish. Early in the game it becomes more of a team game, where plays and such are being made made, the team is going through the motions. 4th quarter, especially late you’re looking for those best opportunities to score, including in iso situations. Williams gives you the best in that regard. This allows Russell the opportunity to develop that continuity with the team (which he needs and needs time to develop, he’s admitted it’s going to take a bit, took him about half a season in college (their seasons are much shorter) and then things clicked for everyone).

    It’s always, who’s going to start? who’s going to start? who’s going to start? this guy doesn’t deserve it or that guy should. No. Who’s going to finish. There is a reason Ginobili is the 6th man for the Spurs. There is a reason Williams was the 6th man and not the starter for the Lakers. Russell fills a role for the starters, Williams for the bench, and then whoever has Byron’s trust finishes the game later on. Between Jordan, Randle, and Kobe you have enough scorers to start the game. You need a distributor in Russell to get the ball around. At the end of the game, you need your best weapons.

  • I’m of the opinion you’re going to see Russell starting because Byron is going to want him playing with Clarkson and Randle, but you’re going to see Jordan at point, Williams at SG and Kobe at SF at the end of the game. Remember, it’s not who starts, it’s who finishes. This used to be something that was stressed during the says when Bynum and Gasol would start but Odom and Gasol would finish. Early in the game it becomes more of a team game, where plays and such are being made made, the team is going through the motions. 4th quarter, especially late you’re looking for those best opportunities to score, including in iso situations. Williams gives you the best in that regard. This allows Russell the opportunity to develop that continuity with the team (which he needs and needs time to develop, he’s admitted it’s going to take a bit, took him about half a season in college (their seasons are much shorter) and then things clicked for everyone).

    It’s always, who’s going to start? who’s going to start? who’s going to start? this guy doesn’t deserve it or that guy should. No. Who’s going to finish. There is a reason Ginobili is the 6th man for the Spurs. There is a reason Williams was the 6th man and not the starter for the Lakers. Russell fills a role for the starters, Williams for the bench, and then whoever has Byron’s trust finishes the game later on. Between Jordan, Randle, and Kobe you have enough scorers to start the game. You need a distributor in Russell to get the ball around. At the end of the game, you need your best weapons.

  • You need JC as a distributor. He can score even if his perimeter game is off. It’s not like Young’s is the most reliable right now so you may as well go with the guy with the quickest first step who can get to the rim. JC is also a better defender than Young.

  • You need JC as a distributor. He can score even if his perimeter game is off. It’s not like Young’s is the most reliable right now so you may as well go with the guy with the quickest first step who can get to the rim. JC is also a better defender than Young.

  • You need JC as a distributor. He can score even if his perimeter game is off. It’s not like Young’s is the most reliable right now so you may as well go with the guy with the quickest first step who can get to the rim. JC is also a better defender than Young.

  • In the interim I’d swap Upshaw and Black. Black has the NBA experience currently to be serviceable behind Hibbert, while Upshaw is showing promise, there is still plenty for him to learn. He still gets very lost out there and that needs to be cured. It’ll be about mid season earliest before he’s ready for those extended minutes.

  • In the interim I’d swap Upshaw and Black. Black has the NBA experience currently to be serviceable behind Hibbert, while Upshaw is showing promise, there is still plenty for him to learn. He still gets very lost out there and that needs to be cured. It’ll be about mid season earliest before he’s ready for those extended minutes.

  • Bass isn’t a stretch 4, he has a mid range jumper but he’s not a long range gunner.

  • Bass isn’t a stretch 4, he has a mid range jumper but he’s not a long range gunner.

  • JC is more reliable than Young. Lou, Young and Kobe you have too many gunners and not enough distribution. JC can provide the distribution while still being a scorer. Lou can distribute too but his mind is still too heavily on shoot first. Jordan showed last season he can be relied on in the 4th with the ball in his hands. Young will jack up 3’s as will Lou Williams. Kobe will be posting up and doing his thing. Having someone like JC in there to cut to the basket, take guys off the dribble and get easy scores inside is beneficial. Between he and Randle having that ability you can open up the outside for Kobe and Lou to hit the outside jumpers.

  • JC is more reliable than Young. Lou, Young and Kobe you have too many gunners and not enough distribution. JC can provide the distribution while still being a scorer. Lou can distribute too but his mind is still too heavily on shoot first. Jordan showed last season he can be relied on in the 4th with the ball in his hands. Young will jack up 3’s as will Lou Williams. Kobe will be posting up and doing his thing. Having someone like JC in there to cut to the basket, take guys off the dribble and get easy scores inside is beneficial. Between he and Randle having that ability you can open up the outside for Kobe and Lou to hit the outside jumpers.

  • Kobe was playing against inferior defenders and took advantage of them, suddenly he’s ball hogging? I’d call that smart play. Besides, knowing he’s getting limited minutes in a meaningless preseason game, he should be looking to take shots. Look, he’s the SF now for the team. He’s not the PG, he’s not the playmaker anymore. If he has a shot, if he sees he can get a score, he needs to take it. That’s his job. Scoring is Kobe’s job.

  • Kobe was playing against inferior defenders and took advantage of them, suddenly he’s ball hogging? I’d call that smart play. Besides, knowing he’s getting limited minutes in a meaningless preseason game, he should be looking to take shots. Look, he’s the SF now for the team. He’s not the PG, he’s not the playmaker anymore. If he has a shot, if he sees he can get a score, he needs to take it. That’s his job. Scoring is Kobe’s job.

  • Sacre gets cut I’m sure before Black does, unless for some reason Scott really wants a 7′ in there and feels he can get out of Bass what he gets from Black. If we cut Black and Sacre, I’m hoping that the Lakers will be looking at other teams roster cuts and see if they can pluck someone up who would be a serviceable backup or has a trade in mind.

  • Sacre gets cut I’m sure before Black does, unless for some reason Scott really wants a 7′ in there and feels he can get out of Bass what he gets from Black. If we cut Black and Sacre, I’m hoping that the Lakers will be looking at other teams roster cuts and see if they can pluck someone up who would be a serviceable backup or has a trade in mind.

  • You don’t have to cut MWP if you keep Brown. Young swings to the SG spot as well and Kobe plays it too. You have 2 SF’s who provide guard depth while maintaining a significant depth at SF. Metta can also play PF. The beauty of these guys in the SF spot is their versatility.

  • You don’t have to cut MWP if you keep Brown. Young swings to the SG spot as well and Kobe plays it too. You have 2 SF’s who provide guard depth while maintaining a significant depth at SF. Metta can also play PF. The beauty of these guys in the SF spot is their versatility.

  • Keep Frazier and Holmes. Similar to Nance, hard workers that play “D” and fill up the stat sheet. This will benefit the ‘team’ game, as Scott is trying to nurture.
    Unfortunate Kelly, Sacre, A. Brown, J. Brown

  • the issue is that in crunch time i want the ball in kobes hands. jc is not a spot up shooter so teams will leave him open.

    kobe, lou, young, jr, hibbert is how my lineup would run with kobe running the team and having two elite knock down shooters flanking him you cant leave lou or young you can leave jc

  • Keep Frazier and Holmes. Similar to Nance, hard workers that play “D” and fill up the stat sheet. This will benefit the ‘team’ game, as Scott is trying to nurture.
    Unfortunate Kelly, Sacre, A. Brown, J. Brown

  • the issue is that in crunch time i want the ball in kobes hands. jc is not a spot up shooter so teams will leave him open.

    kobe, lou, young, jr, hibbert is how my lineup would run with kobe running the team and having two elite knock down shooters flanking him you cant leave lou or young you can leave jc

  • he can shoot consistently from 20 feet on in and he shot 45% from the short three last season

  • he can shoot consistently from 20 feet on in and he shot 45% from the short three last season

  • Did you miss the part where Kobe says he doesn’t want to be the one handling the ball? He wants to operate off the ball, save his legs. The whole point of Jordan and D’Angelo was to allow them to be the primary ball handlers to free him up from the duties.

  • Did you miss the part where Kobe says he doesn’t want to be the one handling the ball? He wants to operate off the ball, save his legs. The whole point of Jordan and D’Angelo was to allow them to be the primary ball handlers to free him up from the duties.

  • His game is primarily mid range, getting rebounds, banging and defending. You take him out to the perimeter too much as a “stretch 4”, you take him away from his game. He’s not a consistent, spot up long range shooter. His game isn’t predicated on that. His game is taking the outside shot if he needs to or it’s there, but mostly hit from the mid range or inside and bang. A stretch 4 lives on the perimeter, Bass doesn’t.

  • His game is primarily mid range, getting rebounds, banging and defending. You take him out to the perimeter too much as a “stretch 4”, you take him away from his game. He’s not a consistent, spot up long range shooter. His game isn’t predicated on that. His game is taking the outside shot if he needs to or it’s there, but mostly hit from the mid range or inside and bang. A stretch 4 lives on the perimeter, Bass doesn’t.

  • thats not true a streach 4 is one that gets most of their points out of the paint and bass fits that discription

  • thats not true a streach 4 is one that gets most of their points out of the paint and bass fits that discription

  • Stretch 4 is someone who gets their points out on the perimeter, not the mid range. The “stretch” is all about being able to pull the opposing teams PF away from the paint, opening the floor up for cutters and penetrating guards and also allowing a low post presence to be able to operate. Ryan Anderson is an excellent example of a Stretch 4. Ryan Kelly is someone the Lakers expected to become a Stretch 4. Brandon Bass only shot 32 3’s last season. 32. He was 9-32 28.1%.

    He was 6-19 in the left corner and 3-9 in the right corner, 9-27 33%. Not the kind of volume of shots you see on a stretch 4.

    Kelly was 45-134 in only 52 games which for an 82 game season would put him at 71-211 33.6%.
    Left corner 3 6-14 42.9%
    Right corner 3 11 for 18 61.1%

    Bass, stretch? No.

  • Stretch 4 is someone who gets their points out on the perimeter, not the mid range. The “stretch” is all about being able to pull the opposing teams PF away from the paint, opening the floor up for cutters and penetrating guards and also allowing a low post presence to be able to operate. Ryan Anderson is an excellent example of a Stretch 4. Ryan Kelly is someone the Lakers expected to become a Stretch 4. Brandon Bass only shot 32 3’s last season. 32. He was 9-32 28.1%.

    He was 6-19 in the left corner and 3-9 in the right corner, 9-27 33%. Not the kind of volume of shots you see on a stretch 4.

    Kelly was 45-134 in only 52 games which for an 82 game season would put him at 71-211 33.6%.
    Left corner 3 6-14 42.9%
    Right corner 3 11 for 18 61.1%

    Bass, stretch? No.

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