Lakers News: L.A. Waives Undrafted Rookie Jonathan Holmes
Lakers News: L.a. Waives Undrafted Rookie Jonathan Holmes
Kirby Lee-USA TODAY Sports

The Los Angeles Lakers need to get down to a maximum of 15 players on their active roster before the start of the 2015-16 NBA regular season.

Although the roster cuts this time around have been tougher than in years past, there were a few players that seemed destined to receive their walking papers.

According to Bill Oram of the OC Register, undrafted rookie Jonathan Holmes has been waived by the Lakers.

This move was not a surprise, especially after Holmes injured his shoulder in the Lakers’ preseason game against the Portland Trail Blazers. Before then, Holmes hadn’t had much of a chance to play, but coaches had praised his versatility and energy in practices. Because he is injured, the Lakers will be on the hook for Holmes’ salary until he is no longer hurt. Assuming he clears waivers, Holmes would likely wind up on the Los Angeles D-Fenders once healthy.

With Holmes being released, the Lakers will have one more cut to make which will come down to either Metta World Peace or Jabari Brown. The Lakers reportedly are fans of both players with World Peace bringing veteran leadership and defense while Brown provides great scoring from the backcourt.

The Lakers have until Wednesday’s season opener against the Minnesota Timberwolves to make their decision. In the preseason finale, Brown had five points and three rebounds in 12 minutes while World Peace played only six minutes, contributing one point and two rebounds.

MWP needs that last spot. No brainer. We have enough shooters like Jabari on our bench. That defense and leadership is what this team lacks…

  1. We don’t have any player like JABARI on the bench, who plays good D and runs the floor all the time and can get his own shot when needed , and could continue playing that way for the next 4/5 years.

      1. I don’t remember him playing good D. Jabari isn’t very athletic. If it was about D, we would have kept Frazier. He’s the more athletic and quicker of the two with a better potential for becoming a good defender.

      2. Been impressed with his D from the Summer league to the preseason. Its useless arguing with some of you guys as you’ll say “he is not athletic” “his agility drill time was blah blah” but the guy plays tough defense and rotates well. WATCH him in games

    1. Agree with you on everything except I wouldn’t call his defense good. Jabari can flat out play basketball. Except why is this down to MWP and Jabari? I like both of them. We have 6 big guys in Randle, Bass, Hibbert, Black, Kelly, and Sacre (PS. MWP can play PF). I say we cut Sacre instead. I like the guy, but I like MWP and Jabari way more.

    1. And be left with no size? lol. Keep Sacre and cut MWP or JBrown. If you cut Sacre you have one 7 footer on the roster and a bunch of 6-8 PF’s.

  • MWP needs that last spot. No brainer. We have enough shooters like Jabari on our bench. That defense and leadership is what this team lacks…

    1. We don’t have any player like JABARI on the bench, who plays good D and runs the floor all the time and can get his own shot when needed , and could continue playing that way for the next 4/5 years.

        1. I don’t remember him playing good D. Jabari isn’t very athletic. If it was about D, we would have kept Frazier. He’s the more athletic and quicker of the two with a better potential for becoming a good defender.

        2. Been impressed with his D from the Summer league to the preseason. Its useless arguing with some of you guys as you’ll say “he is not athletic” “his agility drill time was blah blah” but the guy plays tough defense and rotates well. WATCH him in games

      1. Agree with you on everything except I wouldn’t call his defense good. Jabari can flat out play basketball. Except why is this down to MWP and Jabari? I like both of them. We have 6 big guys in Randle, Bass, Hibbert, Black, Kelly, and Sacre (PS. MWP can play PF). I say we cut Sacre instead. I like the guy, but I like MWP and Jabari way more.

      1. And be left with no size? lol. Keep Sacre and cut MWP or JBrown. If you cut Sacre you have one 7 footer on the roster and a bunch of 6-8 PF’s.

      1. if they actually did, and lakers can pick him back up for d-league and no one else can sign him while he is in d-league, then that was a very smart move by the front office. they released both of them early while other teams still had to decide who to cut, which gave them time to clear waivers without getting snatched.

        1. In the DLeague they are untouchable to be added to another team’s DLeague. BUT, they can be added to any team’s regular squad.

          1. so that still sucks…
            but is there some kind of unwritten rule that u cant sign player from another team’s dleague? bc ive noticed teams dont usually do that

          2. What value does a DLeague guy really have?

            If he can’t make a team like the Lakers, why would a team like the Cavaliers want to add them to the roster just to sit on the bench?

            Guys get poached from the Dleague all the time. But it’s usually because a team has created a roster space via injury or trade and adding a “project player” makes sense.

            But don’t forget…. DLeague means “not good enough to be in the NBA.” So things don’t change in 2-3 months of DLeague competition. And historically, DLeague phenoms are nothing more than guys to fill the deepest parts of the bench. <- There IS a reason why they are in the DLeague, and it's usually low talent, low IQ, or a guy being 1-dimensional.

          3. Birdman Anderson, CJ Watson, Rafer Alston, Danny Green, Jeremy Lin, Gerald Green all DLeague guys who went on to contribute meaningfully for NBA teams, some of them Champions, not “fill the deepest parts of the bench”. A lot of guys are good enough to be in the NBA it’s just there is no space for them, or guys with unwanted contracts are taking up spots on teams, when if they could be cut without penalty I’m sure more teams would be willing to go for DLeague guys. When you look at any team’s roster, there are guys on it who aren’t “good enough for the NBA”, but the contracts are what is keeping them there.

    1. im confused about the whole dleague signing. if upshaw is sent to the d-fenders, another team cannot offer him a contract? or can they?

      1. Another team CAN offer him a contract, BUT they have to put him on their permanent roster for 30 days (iirc) and pay them accordingly.

        At this point, in regards to Upshaw, I am sure every GM is thinking, let’s check back on him in January, but there is no way he gets a permanent spot on the roster as of October 28.

        The guy has talent and upside, but the fact that he has such a “learning curve”, red flags, and STILL a mediocre work ethic says a lot. So for now, he’s going to the DLeague to lessen the “learning curve” and will get atleast 1 more opportunity in the future.

        1. Yeah but I’m willing to bet there are a lot of Sacre’s out there taking up a spot and a FO may just say let’s take a chance on Upshaw !!!!

      1. if they actually did, and lakers can pick him back up for d-league and no one else can sign him while he is in d-league, then that was a very smart move by the front office. they released both of them early while other teams still had to decide who to cut, which gave them time to clear waivers without getting snatched.

        1. In the DLeague they are untouchable to be added to another team’s DLeague. BUT, they can be added to any team’s regular squad.

          1. so that still sucks…
            but is there some kind of unwritten rule that u cant sign player from another team’s dleague? bc ive noticed teams dont usually do that

          2. What value does a DLeague guy really have?

            If he can’t make a team like the Lakers, why would a team like the Cavaliers want to add them to the roster just to sit on the bench?

            Guys get poached from the Dleague all the time. But it’s usually because a team has created a roster space via injury or trade and adding a “project player” makes sense.

            But don’t forget…. DLeague means “not good enough to be in the NBA.” So things don’t change in 2-3 months of DLeague competition. And historically, DLeague phenoms are nothing more than guys to fill the deepest parts of the bench. <- There IS a reason why they are in the DLeague, and it's usually low talent, low IQ, or a guy being 1-dimensional.

          3. Birdman Anderson, CJ Watson, Rafer Alston, Danny Green, Jeremy Lin, Gerald Green all DLeague guys who went on to contribute meaningfully for NBA teams, some of them Champions, not “fill the deepest parts of the bench”. A lot of guys are good enough to be in the NBA it’s just there is no space for them, or guys with unwanted contracts are taking up spots on teams, when if they could be cut without penalty I’m sure more teams would be willing to go for DLeague guys. When you look at any team’s roster, there are guys on it who aren’t “good enough for the NBA”, but the contracts are what is keeping them there.

    1. im confused about the whole dleague signing. if upshaw is sent to the d-fenders, another team cannot offer him a contract? or can they?

      1. Another team CAN offer him a contract, BUT they have to put him on their permanent roster for 30 days (iirc) and pay them accordingly.

        At this point, in regards to Upshaw, I am sure every GM is thinking, “let’s check back on him in January or if we get an injury”, but there is no way he gets a permanent spot on the roster as of October 28.

        The guy has talent and upside, but the fact that he has such a “learning curve”, red flags, and STILL a mediocre work ethic says a lot. So for now, he’s going to the DLeague to lessen the “learning curve” and will get atleast 1 more opportunity in the future.

        1. Yeah but I’m willing to bet there are a lot of Sacre’s out there taking up a spot and a FO may just say let’s take a chance on Upshaw !!!!

  • The question comes down to does the team need a one year rental player or do we keep a player that could be a good fit for the next 4/5 years, there is nothing wrong with MWP, except his age and what he is capable of verses a young J. BROWN who can carry the load and has proved it for years to come.

    1. either way ill be happy. brown is a legit scorer. meta is going to help the team on the defensive side and teach younger players to play d.

      1. He could do that as a D coach, he will not get that many minutes anyway, and for using MWP as the SF we need more minutes for NANCE JR he would be a perfect fit for the SF, if KOBE retires next season we would have A BROWN and NANCE JR , AND NICK YOUNG, we would not have to look any further

        1. ya but by being on the court with them during actual games and being the defensive general is more effective in my opinion

          1. Ever one has an opinion, but not much logic looking forward, to the next 2/3 years of re-building, throw away a good fit player (J. BROWN) for a part time player not getting many minutes in the game that could do the same thing as a coach, does not make much sense to me.

          2. 6 minutes does not make a game- I agree for me. Besides HIBBERT HAS BEEN THE TALKER .

        2. Nance is a PF.
          He’s too tall and a bit slow to be a SF…. If you’re talking a guy to guard Lebron, maybe…

          But to guard a guy like ABrown, no way.

          1. How can you really say that with out giving the guy a chance, look a MWP he only has long arms, and very slow, NANCE JR has all the speed he needs and better D then most, yes it would be a great spot for him.

          2. Ya like every one said WES JOHNSON was not worth any thing, last night he shot 4/4 1/1, but working with a coach that understands real BB makes a big difference.

          3. Byron shouldn’t be hurt. He should know he’s terrible. Kidd carried him just like Lebron carried Mike Brown. Players who are coaches on the floor tend to render a figure head useless.

            They say his practices are 70% defense. Well, let’s see it. Who you have out there matters. Bass, Kelly combo allowed like 80% of opponent’s offense in the paint. I hope somebody in the video department points this out to him.

        3. DISAGREE. When Kobe leaves there will be a huge void to fill.

          The three you mentioned cant fill that void. Its like using three spoons when you need a knife.

          1. Lets just say that your sitting in this chair and get up and leave and never come back, and your trying to say no one can ever sit in that chair again. Houston WE HAVE A PROBLEM.

          2. I didnt say never, I said not with those three you mentioned. Who can fill that chair…..Kevin Durant or another player of that caliber only.

      1. He played 6 minutes, that shows me nothing, the game showed me only that we need a bunch of work, what METTA does is fine but what happens when he leaves why not make him A D coach, and keep guys that will grow with the team.

          1. I did not see any change in the game with MWP in the game he is only being kept because BS does not know anything about D , so make him a D coach. He is taking up a spot where we could be training some one else that will be there for years to come.

          2. Some folks want to turn the Lakers into a D-League team. They are not. They need to compete this year, and to show substantial improvement, especially if they have any hope of bringing in a good free agent or two for next year.

            I’ve been watching MWP, and he doesn’t look slow. And he looks a tough as ever. This team full of puppies needs someone like that. I think MWP is getting short-changed a lot, and i think it’s more about his personality than it is his game. His game looks good.

          3. i don’t necessarily think you’re projecting his 35 year old body 40 games into the season or 70 games in April; his tired legs are going show by being just a step behind while the stallions are going run circles around him.

        1. Why would Metta want to take $150K and be a coach? If he went back to China he makes more.

          I doubt he’d travel with the team while making pennies. And he might coach while he’s “NBA Unemployed” but as soon as better money comes along he’s gone.

          And once you’ve digested that, we can talk about his ACTUAL ability to contribute on the court. I still think he’s a 20 minute guy and COULD be a starting PF or SF in a pinch. I think he could STILL be a 12ppg guy if given the green light, but as of now, he’s being a mentor-player and just focusing on defense.

          1. No the question is why did he leave China and not go back, and he got kicked off a team before that ?

          2. He got kicked out of the Knicks because he got hosed in the messed up dynamics. He went there on a home town discount, was one of the top 7 guys on the team, but was benched because of the PJ and Fisher project.

            And debating why a 35 year old is (or isn’t) useful for all 30 teams in the league is the same debate we’re having as to why we might (or might not) keep MWP. He’s an aging veteran and a rental…. not every team has a need, space, or desire for that type of player. And it’s not an indictment against MWP, it’s just the situational reality of an older player — sometimes, in some situations they can be useful in others, their minutes and money might be best spent elsewhere for another player.

          3. Your saying to keep him for some time some where he might be needed, and yet let a good player that could play till he is 35 and now only 22, I am sorry I lost your LOGIC here.

          4. He will not be getting 20 min. a game this season and as most players his age they slow down and need to miss games that a younger player don’t , with his 6 minutes last night he looked tired, don’t get me wrong I like METTA , but I am not going to jeopardies a younger player that for the next few years can help the team, and knowing we are not getting a shot at being this years CHAMPS I am looking to the future, not the next game or two.

      2. Honestly MWP isn’t going to be much of a factor on this team and will be taking away minutes from the younger players we need to develop. The Lakers aren’t even close to winning a championship or making the playoffs. MWP would be better served on the Lakers staff vs wasting a roster spot and he won’t play more than 15 minutes a game.

      3. Metta plays good man on man defense and post defense. He has good hands as well. He has always been average in pnr defense and switching. These have become staples of NBA teams, especially in the West. His old age also means he will probably go from average to bad at pnr and switching. You can’t fault him for effort but his “defense” is definitely not need on the Laker team

    2. I’m still not understanding why folks think Black is a lock. He and Sacre both didn’t play last night, and the team used BASS and KELLY as the “small ball center.”

      And given how Scott and the players have talked about MWP, it would seem to me the last spot is between Brown and Black.

      I still remember the player (Black) who averaged 10+ fouls in EVERY game during the Summer League 3 months ago. And if we’re talking about a long term project, then Black represents no more or less than a rookie, free agent pickup, or draftee next year. But, maybe the team wants to keep Black?

      The last cut will be polarizing that’s for sure.

      1. You see how well it worked out last night with Bass and Kelly.

        We should have exhausted all options. We should have put Black in at the right time and either proven or disproved his small ball play ability.

        1. Do you realize that only Golden State uses small ball as a regular part of it’s rotation? Every other team *might* use it situationally if matchups, injuries, and foul troubles allow it.

      2. I was looking at KELLY as a back up C, he has it together look how many RB he gets and he scores around the RIM AND OPENING A SPOT FOR NANCE JR, to get some good minutes.

        1. Was the team trying to play defense, or just get through the game without injury?

          And, it seems that Scott was using a high-low center methodology with BOTH Bass and Kelly rotating at PF and Center based on the play and situation.

      3. That lineup was horrible by the way. Bass is better suited at PF. Black is the best option at backup center.

      4. Maybe they need someone who can grab some damn boards? 7 offensive boards on 47 missed attempts meanwhile at the other end…the Warriors get 14 offensive boards on 43 missed attempts. All the while winning the glass battle 57-34. Oh and Bogut wasn’t even playing.

      5. When they went small last night that’s when Black should have been in. We we’re getting out rebounded. Black is a great rebounder. He had a 20 rebound game last season. He plays defense & run all game. & can’t forget putback dunks.

        1. Did you forget that Black is a foul magnet. He still plays out of position, and is a 1-dimensional offensive player?

          I’m not bashing Black, but he’s a long term project, and I am not sure he’s in the long term vision. And unless Scott has a magical wand, Black is STILL the same out of control player he was in the Summer League.

          In a perfect world, the team would have 20 roster spaces and keeping a guy like Black would be a no brainer. But with a 15 man limit, a vision to win games, and some sort of financial incentives to keeping the roster costs down, there IS sufficient case to argue that Black could be cut.

          We don’t know all of the dynamics and moving pieces. But I CAN outline why Black is on the bubble and will be gauged against the merits of keeping JBrown, or MWP.

          Only Mitch knows all the dynamics. And we will get a better idea of his vision very soon.

          1. And every one got up set when UPSHAW was cut, even if he was a lesser player then black, lets just get rid of all the CENTERS, would that make you happy, here again I lost you LOGIC.

          2. Hibbert and Sacre are 7’0″. Black isn’t a center. He’s a 6’9″ PF who can’t play PF.

            Kelly has experience at center and is 6’10” (4 years in college).

            Bass has experience at center and is 6’9″ (2 years @ Celtics)

            MWP has experience at center and is 6’8″ (All the PJ years in small moments).

            Nance has experience at center (college) and is 6’9″. he should out rebound everyone of comparable size (6’9″).

            How did the team “get rid of all the centers”?

            There seems to be a lot of overlap and redundancy with Black. And truth be told, there is only 1 team in the league that uses a small ball lineup every night. <- So is the "small ball" concern real, or just over-inflated?

            And, if Black was so valuable, why didn't he play last night? and why didn't he play in 4 of the 8 pre-season games?

            Me thinks he's on the bubble. And closer to being cut than being a lock.

    3. Metta’s value lies in his ability to help Randle develop some grit and add some finesse to his game. This one year of work between the two stands a great chance of being a long term investment that will pay off every year. lots more hear than Jabari’s small chances of helping the team from the end of the bench.

  • The question comes down to does the team need a one year rental player or do we keep a player that could be a good fit for the next 4/5 years, there is nothing wrong with MWP, except his age and what he is capable of verses a young J. BROWN who can carry the load and has proved it for years to come.

    1. either way ill be happy. brown is a legit scorer. meta is going to help the team on the defensive side and teach younger players to play d.

      1. He could do that as a D coach, he will not get that many minutes anyway, and for using MWP as the SF we need more minutes for NANCE JR he would be a perfect fit for the SF, if KOBE retires next season we would have A BROWN and NANCE JR , AND NICK YOUNG, we would not have to look any further

        1. ya but by being on the court with them during actual games and being the defensive general is more effective in my opinion

          1. Ever one has an opinion, but not much logic looking forward, to the next 2/3 years of re-building, throw away a good fit player (J. BROWN) for a part time player not getting many minutes in the game that could do the same thing as a coach, does not make much sense to me.

          2. 6 minutes does not make a game- I agree for me. Besides HIBBERT HAS BEEN THE TALKER .

        2. Nance is a PF.
          He’s too tall and a bit slow to be a SF…. If you’re talking a guy to guard Lebron, maybe…

          But to guard a guy like ABrown, no way.

          1. How can you really say that with out giving the guy a chance, look a MWP he only has long arms, and very slow, NANCE JR has all the speed he needs and better D then most, yes it would be a great spot for him.

          2. Ya like every one said WES JOHNSON was not worth any thing, last night he shot 4/4 1/1, but working with a coach that understands real BB makes a big difference.

          3. Byron shouldn’t be hurt. He should know he’s terrible. Kidd carried him just like Lebron carried Mike Brown. Players who are coaches on the floor tend to render a figure head useless.

            They say his practices are 70% defense. Well, let’s see it. Who you have out there matters. Bass, Kelly combo allowed like 80% of opponent’s offense in the paint. I hope somebody in the video department points this out to him.

        3. DISAGREE. When Kobe leaves there will be a huge void to fill.

          The three you mentioned cant fill that void. Its like using three spoons when you need a knife.

          1. Lets just say that your sitting in this chair and get up and leave and never come back, and your trying to say no one can ever sit in that chair again. Houston WE HAVE A PROBLEM.

          2. I didnt say never, I said not with those three you mentioned. Who can fill that chair…..Kevin Durant or another player of that caliber only.

    2. Yesterdays game should answer your question.

      Mettas hard defense is what this team needs most.

      No one can take away from J browns defensive effort but he is not even close to Mettas defensive ability.

      1. He played 6 minutes, that shows me nothing, the game showed me only that we need a bunch of work, what METTA does is fine but what happens when he leaves why not make him A D coach, and keep guys that will grow with the team.

          1. I did not see any change in the game with MWP in the game he is only being kept because BS does not know anything about D , so make him a D coach. He is taking up a spot where we could be training some one else that will be there for years to come.

          2. Some folks want to turn the Lakers into a D-League team. They are not. They need to compete this year, and to show substantial improvement, especially if they have any hope of bringing in a good free agent or two for next year.

            I’ve been watching MWP, and he doesn’t look slow. And he looks a tough as ever. This team full of puppies needs someone like that. I think MWP is getting short-changed a lot, and i think it’s more about his personality than it is his game. His game looks good.

          3. i don’t necessarily think you’re projecting his 35 year old body 40 games into the season or 70 games in April; his tired legs are going show by being just a step behind while the stallions are going run circles around him.

        1. Why would Metta want to take $150K and be a coach? If he went back to China he makes more.

          I doubt he’d travel with the team while making pennies. And he might coach while he’s “NBA Unemployed” but as soon as better money comes along he’s gone.

          And once you’ve digested that, we can talk about his ACTUAL ability to contribute on the court. I still think he’s a 20 minute guy and COULD be a starting PF or SF in a pinch. I think he could STILL be a 12ppg guy if given the green light, but as of now, he’s being a mentor-player and just focusing on defense.

          1. No the question is why did he leave China and not go back, and he got kicked off a team before that ?

          2. He got kicked out of the Knicks because he got hosed in the messed up dynamics. He went there on a home town discount, was one of the top 7 guys on the team, but was benched because of the PJ and Fisher project.

            And debating why a 35 year old is (or isn’t) useful for all 30 teams in the league is the same debate we’re having as to why we might (or might not) keep MWP. He’s an aging veteran and a rental…. not every team has a need, space, or desire for that type of player. And it’s not an indictment against MWP, it’s just the situational reality of an older player — sometimes, in some situations they can be useful in others, their minutes and money might be best spent elsewhere for another player.

          3. Your saying to keep him for some time some where he might be needed, and yet let a good player that could play till he is 35 and now only 22, I am sorry I lost your LOGIC here.

          4. He will not be getting 20 min. a game this season and as most players his age they slow down and need to miss games that a younger player don’t , with his 6 minutes last night he looked tired, don’t get me wrong I like METTA , but I am not going to jeopardies a younger player that for the next few years can help the team, and knowing we are not getting a shot at being this years CHAMPS I am looking to the future, not the next game or two.

      2. Honestly MWP isn’t going to be much of a factor on this team and will be taking away minutes from the younger players we need to develop. The Lakers aren’t even close to winning a championship or making the playoffs. MWP would be better served on the Lakers staff vs wasting a roster spot and he won’t play more than 15 minutes a game.

      3. Metta plays good man on man defense and post defense. He has good hands as well. He has always been average in pnr defense and switching. These have become staples of NBA teams, especially in the West. His old age also means he will probably go from average to bad at pnr and switching. You can’t fault him for effort but his “defense” is definitely not need on the Laker team

    3. I’m still not understanding why folks think Black is a lock. He and Sacre both didn’t play last night, and the team used BASS and KELLY as the “small ball center.”

      And given how Scott and the players have talked about MWP, it would seem to me the last spot is between Brown and Black.

      I still remember the player (Black) who averaged 10+ fouls in EVERY game during the Summer League 3 months ago. And if we’re talking about a long term project, then Black represents no more or less than a rookie, free agent pickup, or draftee next year. But, maybe the team wants to keep Black?

      The last cut will be polarizing that’s for sure.

      1. You see how well it worked out last night with Bass and Kelly.

        We should have exhausted all options. We should have put Black in at the right time and either proven or disproved his small ball play ability.

        1. Do you realize that only Golden State uses small ball as a regular part of it’s rotation? Every other team *might* use it situationally if matchups, injuries, and foul troubles allow it.

          So, in reality, the “small ball” fad is nothing more than a gimmick, and a very rare occasion when you look at playing the OTHER 28 teams in the league. And when you look at Golden State, is it really worth keeping 1 player for 4 games against a team you expect to lose anyways?

          — Again, don’t get me wrong….. I like Black, think he has a future, and I can see why the team might want to keep him. But at the same time, I see enough evidence to think that he doesn’t fit the CURRENT situation and focus of the team (given the 15 man limit). I think JBrown is a better long term project given the team’s current and future roster. And that MWP is too “useful” to cut given that injuries will happen, he’s still a very reliable and stable contributor, the team will need SOMEONE to set the defensive tone, he’s clearly been a mentor to the forwards (ABrown, Randle, Nance) and that he could play 3 different positions.

      2. I was looking at KELLY as a back up C, he has it together look how many RB he gets and he scores around the RIM AND OPENING A SPOT FOR NANCE JR, to get some good minutes.

        1. Was the team trying to play defense, or just get through the game without injury?

          And, it seems that Scott was using a high-low center methodology with BOTH Bass and Kelly rotating at PF and Center based on the play and situation.

      3. That lineup was horrible by the way. Bass is better suited at PF. Black is the best option at backup center.

      4. Maybe they need someone who can grab some damn boards? 7 offensive boards on 47 missed attempts meanwhile at the other end…the Warriors get 14 offensive boards on 43 missed attempts. All the while winning the glass battle 57-34. Oh and Bogut wasn’t even playing.

      5. When they went small last night that’s when Black should have been in. We we’re getting out rebounded. Black is a great rebounder. He had a 20 rebound game last season. He plays defense & run all game. & can’t forget putback dunks.

        1. Did you forget that Black is a foul magnet. He still plays out of position, and is a 1-dimensional offensive player?

          I’m not bashing Black, but he’s a long term project, and I am not sure he’s in the long term vision. And unless Scott has a magical wand, Black is STILL the same out of control player he was in the Summer League.

          In a perfect world, the team would have 20 roster spaces and keeping a guy like Black would be a no brainer. But with a 15 man limit, a vision to win games, and some sort of financial incentives to keeping the roster costs down, there IS sufficient case to argue that Black could be cut.

          We don’t know all of the dynamics and moving pieces. But I CAN outline why Black is on the bubble and will be gauged against the merits of keeping JBrown, or MWP.

          Only Mitch knows all the dynamics. And we will get a better idea of his vision very soon.

          1. And every one got up set when UPSHAW was cut, even if he was a lesser player then black, lets just get rid of all the CENTERS, would that make you happy, here again I lost you LOGIC.

          2. Hibbert and Sacre are 7’0″. Black isn’t a center. He’s a 6’9″ PF who can’t play PF.

            Kelly has experience at center and is 6’10” (4 years in college).

            Bass has experience at center and is 6’9″ (2 years @ Celtics)

            MWP has experience at center and is 6’8″ (All the PJ years in small moments).

            Nance has experience at center (college) and is 6’9″. he should out rebound everyone of comparable size (6’9″).

            How did the team “get rid of all the centers”?

            There seems to be a lot of overlap and redundancy with Black. And truth be told, there is only 1 team in the league that uses a small ball lineup every night. <- So is the "small ball" concern real, or just over-inflated?

            And, if Black was so valuable, why didn't he play last night? and why didn't he play in 4 of the 8 pre-season games?

            Me thinks he's on the bubble. And closer to being cut than being a lock.

    4. Metta’s value lies in his ability to help Randle develop some grit and add some finesse to his game. This one year of work between the two stands a great chance of being a long term investment that will pay off every year. lots more hear than Jabari’s small chances of helping the team from the end of the bench.

  • RE: Holmes
    This was expected given his injury. And given the injury, there he still has a future with the club and won’t be poached.

  • RE: Holmes
    This was expected given his injury. And given the injury, there he still has a future with the club and won’t be poached until mid-season at the least.

    And if the team likes Holmes, I expect to play shenanegans to keep him. It says a lot that they paid him $100K just to try out.

  • If metta world peace gets cut over robert sacre I am not watching the Lakers until we get a new coach.

    1. I’m pretty sure Byron had no intentions of playing MWP last night, until the Lakers’ fans started doing his job for him.

    1. I have a hunch that the new collective ownership of the 8 heirs are a bit more conservative about money and spending than Dr Buss. And given the structure of the Broadcast contract, they don’t make the mega-bucks unless they win.

      So, given both factors, I put a lot more weight into in the value of Sacres’ “guaranteed $1M” than I have in the past.

      And, while some want to say this is a “development year” I think there is a much greater incentive to win than most expect. <- How many times have you heard Mitch and Scott say, "This is a playoffs team." ???

      If, money is the motive, and winning is the intention, then keeping a guy like MWP starts to make a lot more sense. And streamlining the center ranks with existing paid players makes more sense than keeping Black.

      — it seems that the days of Dr Buss and financial freedom are over.

      1. Your irrational dislike of Tarik Black, the Lakers second best rebounder is ridiculous. I also suspect this ownership is conservative about money, however I’d phrase it as greedy.

    2. I think it has to do with the 1 million they’d have to pay in guaranteed money. He’s a 7 footer that can still develop something in the Lakers eyes. I mean Mark Madsen was a scrub for many years before he played solid in several playoff series. I am not a fan of Sacre’s game but he’s a cool dude that brings good energy to the team. He’s a poor mans Joakim Noah in terms of energy. but yeah…money is the factor here in my opinion

    3. I wouldn’t say that if I were you. The Sack Man is gonna invade your home and kidnap you in his giant sack (with tattoos of Snoop dogg lol)

  • If metta world peace gets cut over robert sacre I am not watching the Lakers until we get a new coach.

    1. I’m pretty sure Byron had no intentions of playing MWP last night, until the Lakers’ fans started doing his job for him.

    1. I have a hunch that the new collective ownership of the 8 heirs are a bit more conservative about money and spending than Dr Buss. And given the structure of the Broadcast contract, they don’t make the mega-bucks unless they win.

      So, given both factors, I put a lot more weight into in the value of Sacres’ “guaranteed $1M” than I have in the past.

      And, while some want to say this is a “development year” I think there is a much greater incentive to win than most expect. <- How many times have you heard Mitch and Scott say, "This is a playoffs team." ???

      If money IS the motive and winning is the intention, then keeping a guy like MWP starts to make a lot more sense. And streamlining the center ranks with existing paid players makes more sense than keeping Black.

      — it seems that the days of Dr Buss and financial freedom are over.

      1. Your irrational dislike of Tarik Black, the Lakers second best rebounder is ridiculous. I also suspect this ownership is conservative about money, however I’d phrase it as greedy.

    2. I think it has to do with the 1 million they’d have to pay in guaranteed money. He’s a 7 footer that can still develop something in the Lakers eyes. I mean Mark Madsen was a scrub for many years before he played solid in several playoff series. I am not a fan of Sacre’s game but he’s a cool dude that brings good energy to the team. He’s a poor mans Joakim Noah in terms of energy. but yeah…money is the factor here in my opinion

    3. I wouldn’t say that if I were you. The Sack Man is gonna invade your home and kidnap you in his giant sack (with tattoos of Snoop dogg lol)

  • So no one wants to say anything about the fact that 30 teams passed on Upshaw yet again? 48 hours of waivers but no one looked to take on a player many on the site say is the next Whiteside? Many were ready to jump off buildings after tar and feathering Scott and the FO for cutting Robert.

      1. Probably not but according to many Lakers fans Robert was gonna get scooped up right away given his highly desirable upside.

        1. I honestly believe he will, I don’t think it will be immediately but once the rosters are all cut down on the 26th, generally that is when teams pick up guys who have been cut from other teams to fill their deficiencies from what they have seen in preseason. Looking at teams like the Clippers who have no real backup for DeAndre or Dallas who I think will look to develop some young guys this season other than Justin Anderson, they have a bunch of crappy fill in C’s.Dalembert, McGee, Pachulia.

          There will definitely be some team out there who will want to develop some talent.

          1. I don’t see the kid landing on anyone’s 15 man roster till after ten day contracts are available to be used. He’s clearly not ready and it’s best to see him perform in the Dleague first.

          2. What is upsetting most people is that the Lakers could have done this anyway, without the risk of losing him should he develop. Instead giving that spot to a guy who won’t see the floor anyway (hopefully).

          3. Luxury taxes for a project player with major problems. And said project did not show he’s willing to put in extra work to help get past his past.

          4. When the great Lakers empire is making decisions based on one million dollars, things really have changed.

          5. Why waste money just to waste it? Dr. Buss would not even do that. Upshaw is not gonna make a championship difference this season. Come on man.

          6. Considering the Lakers are 12 million below the luxury tax threshold and combined with the fact they paid 113 million in luxury taxes over 02-13. I’m pretty sure that one million dollars is not a justification at all. Mitch himself said he was open to cutting guys with guaranteed money, I feel it’s more likely Bryon’s call, he seems to play favorites with some players and turns his back on other guys. It’s a baffling decision to be honest, I mean it’s not even just Upshaw, there are guys out there they can develop with that spot which Sacre occupies.

    1. He’s no Whiteside. That’s why. lol. Upshaw looks so lost on the floor. No to mention he is likely to have off the court issues again. Not worth the gamble for another team.

      1. I’m not ragging on the kid. I was happy we got him but the ire many Lakers fans had over him being cut was flat out ridiculous!

        1. Exactly. They act like we cut the best player on the team. lol. Upshaw if he works hard can become a NBA center, but right now he’s not even close.

      2. But when you think about it, who hasn’t really looked kind of lost out there for the Lakers?

        1. I agree, but when you have Hibbert, Black, and Sacre already it makes no sense to keep Upshaw as he wouldn’t see the floor at all.

          1. That’s what the DLeague is for, by keeping him on the roster, the Lakers would have had him secured and could have sent him to the DLeague. At the moment they chose to keep a player who is arguably already worse on the end of the bench basically being a giant cheerleader and getting paid one million for the privilege.

          2. Team chemistry matters. Metta is being strongly considered over Jabari in part for that same reason. The team is also into the luxury tax and Sacre’s salary is fully guaranteed. I know it’s not big money but that’s still spending taxes to cut Sacre for A project player who’s not even showing he’s 110% sold out to prove himself given this second chance in front of him.

          3. I haven’t seen any team chemistry since Sacre has been here. I think Metta is a lock too, but the injury to Clarkson may make the FO think twice about Jabari Brown.

          4. There was decent team chemistry in 13-14. We just were decimated by injuries on a team already lacking talent.

          5. The team isn’t in the tax. They should be about $10m under it. Thry are over the cap, but the tax kine is $14m overthe cap. And contracts don’t matter until the last day of the season.

          6. From Spotrac:

            Active Contracts: $72,839,152
            Dead: $85,000
            Total Cap: $72,924,152
            Est. Lux Tax Space: $11,775,848

            The team is over the cap (~$70m), but under the tax threshold which is ~$83m.

            They can’t sign any players to more than the veteran minimum (unless they use their $2.8M exception), and must adhere to specific trade rules, but it’s highly unlikely they will be over the luxury cap.

            And since they were under the cap last year, and it’s unlikely most teams will exceed the cap next year, the soonest they could face repeater penalties would be 2019! <- Mitch has been doing a very shrewd retooling of the team's finances in the last 3 years!

          7. We weren’t under the cap last season. We were around 70M in contracts last season with the cap at 67M.

          8. You right, I was confusing the cap with the luxury line. What matters is that we are on the verge of being a repeat luxury tax offender and will incur extra penalties going forward due to that. That the reason the FO is mindful of spending this year.

          9. no were not. we have not ben a lux tax team since pau left.

            this is our second full season under the tax line

  • So no one wants to say anything about the fact that 30 teams passed on Upshaw yet again? 48 hours of waivers but no one looked to take on a player many on this site say is the next Whiteside? Many were ready to jump off buildings after tar and feathering Scott and the FO for cutting Robert.

      1. Probably not but according to many Lakers fans Robert was gonna get scooped up right away given his highly desirable upside.

        1. I honestly believe he will, I don’t think it will be immediately but once the rosters are all cut down on the 26th, generally that is when teams pick up guys who have been cut from other teams to fill their deficiencies from what they have seen in preseason. Looking at teams like the Clippers who have no real backup for DeAndre or Dallas who I think will look to develop some young guys this season other than Justin Anderson, they have a bunch of crappy fill in C’s.Dalembert, McGee, Pachulia.

          There will definitely be some team out there who will want to develop some talent.

          1. I don’t see the kid landing on anyone’s 15 man roster till after ten day contracts are available to be used. He’s clearly not ready and it’s best to see him perform in the Dleague first.

          2. What is upsetting most people is that the Lakers could have done this anyway, without the risk of losing him should he develop. Instead giving that spot to a guy who won’t see the floor anyway (hopefully).

          3. Luxury taxes for a project player with major problems. And said project did not show he’s willing to put in extra work to help get past his past.

          4. When the great Lakers empire is making decisions based on one million dollars, things really have changed.

          5. Why waste money just to waste it? Dr. Buss would not even do that. Upshaw is not gonna make a championship difference this season. Come on man.

          6. Considering the Lakers are 12 million below the luxury tax threshold and combined with the fact they paid 113 million in luxury taxes over 02-13. I’m pretty sure that one million dollars is not a justification at all. Mitch himself said he was open to cutting guys with guaranteed money, I feel it’s more likely Bryon’s call, he seems to play favorites with some players and turns his back on other guys. It’s a baffling decision to be honest, I mean it’s not even just Upshaw, there are guys out there they can develop with that spot which Sacre occupies.

    1. He’s no Whiteside. That’s why. lol. Upshaw looks so lost on the floor. No to mention he is likely to have off the court issues again. Not worth the gamble for another team.

      1. I’m not ragging on the kid. I was happy we got him but the ire many Lakers fans had over him being cut was flat out ridiculous!

        1. Exactly. They act like we cut the best player on the team. lol. Upshaw if he works hard can become a NBA center, but right now he’s not even close.

      2. But when you think about it, who hasn’t really looked kind of lost out there for the Lakers?

        1. I agree, but when you have Hibbert, Black, and Sacre already it makes no sense to keep Upshaw as he wouldn’t see the floor at all.

          1. That’s what the DLeague is for, by keeping him on the roster, the Lakers would have had him secured and could have sent him to the DLeague. At the moment they chose to keep a player who is arguably already worse on the end of the bench basically being a giant cheerleader and getting paid one million for the privilege.

          2. Team chemistry matters. Metta is being strongly considered over Jabari in part for that same reason. The team is also into the luxury tax and Sacre’s salary is fully guaranteed. I know it’s not big money but that’s still spending taxes to cut Sacre for A project player who’s not even showing he’s 110% sold out to prove himself given this second chance in front of him.

          3. I haven’t seen any team chemistry since Sacre has been here. I think Metta is a lock too, but the injury to Clarkson may make the FO think twice about Jabari Brown.

          4. There was decent team chemistry in 13-14. We just were decimated by injuries on a team already lacking talent.

          5. The team isn’t in the tax. They should be about $10m under it. They are over the cap, but the tax line is $14m over the cap. And contracts don’t matter until the last day of the season.

          6. From Spotrac:

            Active Contracts: $72,839,152
            Dead: $85,000
            Total Cap: $72,924,152
            Est. Lux Tax Space: $11,775,848

            The team is over the cap (~$70m), but under the tax threshold which is ~$83m.

            They can’t sign any players to more than the veteran minimum (unless they use their $2.8M exception), and must adhere to specific trade rules, but it’s highly unlikely they will be over the luxury cap.

            And since they were under the cap last year, and it’s unlikely most teams will exceed the cap next year, the soonest they could face repeater penalties would be 2019! <- Mitch has been doing a very shrewd retooling of the team's finances in the last 3 years!

          7. We weren’t under the cap last season. We were around 70M in contracts last season with the cap at 67M.

          8. You right, I was confusing the cap with the luxury line. What matters is that we are on the verge of being a repeat luxury tax offender and will incur extra penalties going forward due to that. That the reason the FO is mindful of spending this year.

          9. no were not. we have not ben a lux tax team since pau left.

            this is our second full season under the tax line

  • Lakers should cut MWP. He has no future with the team (player wise). Add him to the staff to develop these younger players. I’d rather keep Jabari, and Sacre.

    1. We should’ve looked in to Matt Barnes. He has more left than MWP. If he was in the team I would say keep Jabari. We need some defense.

      1. I do like Barnes, and wouldn’t mind having him. I don’t think he gives more than MWP. In fact, I think they would be a good duo to have.

        I have an old Lakers t-shirt that has Barnes and MWP on the front with the caption, “Matt Barnes will kill you, if Ron Artest doesn’t do it first.” 🙂

  • Lakers should cut MWP. He has no future with the team (player wise). Add him to the staff to develop these younger players. I’d rather keep Jabari, and Sacre.

    1. We should’ve looked in to Matt Barnes. He has more left than MWP. If he was in the team I would say keep Jabari. We need some defense.

      1. I do like Barnes, and wouldn’t mind having him. I don’t think he gives more than MWP. In fact, I think they would be a good duo to have.

        I have an old Lakers t-shirt that has Barnes and MWP on the front with the caption, “Matt Barnes will kill you, if Ron Artest doesn’t do it first.” 🙂

  • Cut Brown, keep Metta. We have lots of back court scoring, and several rookies (I include Randle in that). We need more at the 3, we need tough defense and veteran leadership, and Metta is “now” while Brown is “future.” Let Brown develop a little in the D-League, then bring him aboard later, if he fits.

  • Cut Brown, keep Metta. We have lots of back court scoring, and several rookies (I include Randle in that). We need more at the 3, we need tough defense and veteran leadership, and Metta is “now” while Brown is “future.” Let Brown develop a little in the D-League, then bring him aboard later, if he fits.

  • Sacre isn’t even worthy of being a 3rd string Center on any NBA team. Watching him play is so irritating. He should dominate at the rim with his big body but all he does is let guys blow right past him for easy layups and dunks. Too bad he can’t be cut instead of MWP or Jabari.

    1. I disagree. Sacre has solid moments in games, and then he has moments that make you wonder how he is in the NBA. Lakers would be better off keeping him on the roster for size purposes. Also he has accepted his minimal role and is great locker room/guy to have on the bench.

        1. He’s a rock on defense. Lebron James has never dunked on him in an NBA All Star Game. Not once.

      1. Please recant your first statement. For your own personal well being…before they launch at you

        Exactly, why do we want a player who has accepted a minimal role? He doesn’t want to get better and move up. Maybe he does, but he can’t! Another reason he accepted his role is because he sucks. He knows he’s lucky to be in the NBA. He travels for free. Wears the purple n gold. Lives in LA. Gets paid more than most of us. Watches nba games for a living (best seats in the house). Will have an nba pension upon retirement. Gets to meet actual nba stars. I mean, what a life! If I sucked at my job yet it had benefits like that, I’d take any role

        1. When it comes down to a TEAM (keyword) players have to learn and accept a role. the 13-14 guy on the roster has a minimal role on ALL NBA teams. Sacre is no different. I don’t care about how much money he makes or all that other stuff. That has no relevance to the conversation.

          1. Oh it’s very important. He’s been conditioned. He knows they won’t get rid of him cuz he’s 7 feet. He’s living the life.

            Every player on every team is trying to get better regardless of role. They want mins. What has sacre done? Also, what is sacres role?

    2. Although I really feel Upshaw is better than Sacre what kills me is that Upshaw is horrible in the p&r he could not set a screen for the life of him and this is indicative to BS not favoring him as well since he’s so old school with the fundamentals
      Sucks to say but atleast Sacre is sort of sold…I mean below sort of solid

  • Sacre isn’t even worthy of being a 3rd string Center on any NBA team. Watching him play is so irritating. He should dominate at the rim with his big body but all he does is let guys blow right past him for easy layups and dunks. Too bad he can’t be cut instead of MWP or Jabari.

    1. I disagree. Sacre has solid moments in games, and then he has moments that make you wonder how he is in the NBA. Lakers would be better off keeping him on the roster for size purposes. Also he has accepted his minimal role and is great locker room/guy to have on the bench.

        1. He’s a rock on defense. Lebron James has never dunked on him in an NBA All Star Game. Not once.

      1. Please recant your first statement. For your own personal well being…before they launch at you

        Exactly, why do we want a player who has accepted a minimal role? He doesn’t want to get better and move up. Maybe he does, but he can’t! Another reason he accepted his role is because he sucks. He knows he’s lucky to be in the NBA. He travels for free. Wears the purple n gold. Lives in LA. Gets paid more than most of us. Watches nba games for a living (best seats in the house). Will have an nba pension upon retirement. Gets to meet actual nba stars. I mean, what a life! If I sucked at my job yet it had benefits like that, I’d take any role

        1. When it comes down to a TEAM (keyword) players have to learn and accept a role. the 13-14 guy on the roster has a minimal role on ALL NBA teams. Sacre is no different. I don’t care about how much money he makes or all that other stuff. That has no relevance to the conversation.

          1. Oh it’s very important. He’s been conditioned. He knows they won’t get rid of him cuz he’s 7 feet. He’s living the life.

            Every player on every team is trying to get better regardless of role. They want mins. What has sacre done? Also, what is sacres role?

    2. Although I really feel Upshaw is better than Sacre what kills me is that Upshaw is horrible in the p&r he could not set a screen for the life of him and this is indicative to BS not favoring him as well since he’s so old school with the fundamentals
      Sucks to say but atleast Sacre is sort of solid…..I mean below sort of solid

  • I wish they buy out Sacre’s contract so they can keep both MWP and J Brown. If they keep Sacre and trade him down the road, they won’t get a pick in return, more like petty cash.

    1. Cash considerations… coupon from papa John’s for a free large 2 topping pizza-delivery charge not included. Don’t forget to tip the driver for excellent service.

    2. Buying him out is the same as cutting him. It still counts toward the cap this year.

      If you like MWP and JBrown, then explain to me why you’d keep Black?

      1. I’d keep Black over Sacre because Black has more potential, more productive and we can get something back if we decide to trade him. With Sacre, we cannot unfortunately.

  • I wish they buy out Sacre’s contract so they can keep both MWP and J Brown. If they keep Sacre and trade him down the road, they won’t get a pick in return, more like petty cash.

    1. Cash considerations… coupon from papa John’s for a free large 2 topping pizza-delivery charge not included. Don’t forget to tip the driver for excellent service.

    2. Buying him out is the same as cutting him. It still counts toward the cap this year.

      If you like MWP and JBrown, then explain to me why you’d keep Black?

      1. I’d keep Black over Sacre because Black has more potential, more productive and we can get something back if we decide to trade him. With Sacre, we cannot unfortunately. Sacre is a 7ft body that we need, but what’s a 7ft if it does not produce?

  • No, it’s not metta vs j Brown…sacre is still on the chopping block. If he wasn’t, why would Scott experiment with Kelly and bass at the 5?? Waive sacre. Just end the nightmare.

    It’s a waste to waive Brown. We did the hard work so another team can pick him up? He’s a sophomore…his deal wasnt guaranteed…he had trade value!

    1. Scott’s keeping Sacre.
      He’s guaranteed $1M and the second 7’0″ center on the roster. We saw the nightmare last year when the team tried to work with a smaller center (J.Hill).

      Scott’s system needs a 7’0″ body. If it doesn’t have one, things fall apart.

      1. Sacre is not better than hill. Sacre is tall…but he doesn’t use his body. One cannot state HILL was a nightmare and imply sacre would do much better in a starting role facing all the team’s top PFs/Cs during an 82 game stretch. Height is not or should not be the deciding factor whether a guy stays. If you suck, you suck and deserve to get waived.

        $1 million…that’d be chump change to DR Buss. Wth was Mitch thinking…picking up sacres option

        1. Height IS a deciding factor to Mitch and Scott.

          Remember when Mitch said, “I’m looking for a traditional big.” Do you realize the nightmare that would be created if Sacre weren’t on the team and Black had to face any of the elite Centers in the league?

          Black vs Gasol?
          Black vs Joakim?
          Black vs. Okafor?
          Black vs. Lopez?
          Black vs. Bogut?

          it’s not close. And Sacre, while he’s not ideal, is tall enough to *at least* be some sort of equalizing force. Black on the other hand, would use his power, and generate a lot of fouls….

          Think of the games when Hibbert twists an ankle…. Is Black your solution?

          No. Black only works against 1 center in the league:

          Black vs. Green.

          1. I’ve seen you bash black around here…why is that?

            Having sacre on the roster is a nightmare by itself. Having sacre face the bigs you mentioned is like welcoming freddy Krueger into that nightmare.

            That is something they should have considered before the preseason, before resigning sacre (they should have strongly considered seraphin), and before cutting upshaw.

            In conclusion, that’s why we’re in such situation. ..management making decisions purely on height and “camaraderie”

          2. More utter crap. Robert Sacre may well be 7 feet, but you don’t contest shots nor block them with your head. Tarik Black actually has a two inch longer wingspan than Robert Sacre and his standing reach is only half an inch shorter than Sacre according to Draft Express. Plus Tarik Black is infinitely stronger and more athletic, yes he does have issues with fouling, but really, Robert Sacre has the exact same problem. Ben Wallace, Moses Malone and Wes Unseld disprove your height theory, even Chuck Hayes is a 6’6 center. So much about being a C is heart and athleticism. Dennis Rodman, one of the greatest rebounders ever also proves height don’t mean squat.

          3. ….. uuummm I’d definitely put Black over Sacre in all those matchups, especially after he held his own against Gobert and Deandre last season

      2. Who cares what is owed to Sacre? Either way it’s wasted money whether he’s on the team or not.

      3. If the Lakers ever need to be dependent on Sacre’s 7’0″ talent, things not only would have already fallen apart, they’d be back in tank mode and back at rock bottom for the third year in a row.

      4. My guess is that his anchor needs to be an activity guy with emphasis on D. Nance could fill that niche. Nance could be his K mart.

        Sacre isn’t in the same league as Todd Mccullough. Sorry, I can’t see 7ftr. Sacre making any impact on D.

        BTW. He did cut a 7 footer with the activity. Curious move.

  • No, it’s not metta vs j Brown…sacre is still on the chopping block. If he wasn’t, why would Scott experiment with Kelly and bass at the 5?? Waive sacre. Just end the nightmare.

    It’s a waste to waive Brown. We did the hard work so another team can pick him up? He’s a sophomore…his deal wasnt guaranteed…he had trade value!

    1. Scott’s keeping Sacre.
      He’s guaranteed $1M and the second 7’0″ center on the roster. We saw the nightmare last year when the team tried to work with a smaller center (J.Hill).

      Scott’s system needs a 7’0″ body. If it doesn’t have one, things fall apart.

      1. Sacre is not better than hill. Sacre is tall…but he doesn’t use his body. One cannot state HILL was a nightmare and imply sacre would do much better in a starting role facing all the team’s top PFs/Cs during an 82 game stretch. Height is not or should not be the deciding factor whether a guy stays. If you suck, you suck and deserve to get waived.

        $1 million…that’d be chump change to DR Buss. Wth was Mitch thinking…picking up sacres option

        1. Height IS a deciding factor to Mitch and Scott.

          Remember when Mitch said, “I’m looking for a traditional big.” Do you realize the nightmare that would be created if Sacre weren’t on the team and Black had to face any of the elite Centers in the league?

          Black vs Gasol?
          Black vs Joakim?
          Black vs. Okafor?
          Black vs. Lopez?
          Black vs. Bogut?

          it’s not close. And Sacre, while he’s not ideal, is tall enough to *at least* be some sort of equalizing force. Black on the other hand, would use his power, and generate a lot of fouls….

          Think of the games when Hibbert twists an ankle…. Is Black your solution?

          No. Black only works against 1 center in the league:

          Black vs. Green.

          Black might make the cut, but there is enough reason to understand why he didn’t play yesterday and might NOT make the cut. Black is a project and a 1-dimensional specialist, and with a limit of 15 guys there will always be a discussion about replacing him.

          1. I’ve seen you bash black around here…why is that?

            Having sacre on the roster is a nightmare by itself. Having sacre face the bigs you mentioned is like welcoming freddy Krueger into that nightmare.

            That is something they should have considered before the preseason, before resigning sacre (they should have strongly considered seraphin), and before cutting upshaw.

            In conclusion, that’s why we’re in such situation. ..management making decisions purely on height and “camaraderie”

          2. More utter crap. Robert Sacre may well be 7 feet, but you don’t contest shots nor block them with your head. Tarik Black actually has a two inch longer wingspan than Robert Sacre and his standing reach is only half an inch shorter than Sacre according to Draft Express. Plus Tarik Black is infinitely stronger and more athletic, yes he does have issues with fouling, but really, Robert Sacre has the exact same problem. Ben Wallace, Moses Malone and Wes Unseld disprove your height theory, even Chuck Hayes is a 6’6 center. So much about being a C is heart and athleticism. Dennis Rodman, one of the greatest rebounders ever also proves height don’t mean squat.

          3. ….. uuummm I’d definitely put Black over Sacre in all those matchups, especially after he held his own against Gobert and Deandre last season

      2. Who cares what is owed to Sacre? Either way it’s wasted money whether he’s on the team or not.

      3. If the Lakers ever need to be dependent on Sacre’s 7’0″ talent, things not only would have already fallen apart, they’d be back in tank mode and back at rock bottom for the third year in a row.

      4. My guess is that his anchor needs to be an activity guy with emphasis on D. Nance could fill that niche. Nance could be his K mart.

        Sacre isn’t in the same league as Todd Mccullough. Sorry, I can’t see 7ftr. Sacre making any impact on D.

        BTW. He did cut a 7 footer with the activity. Curious move.

    1. Bet he can’t even do that right. Probably mistakes the milk with the half n half, and orders the Italian blt instead of the spicy Italian

    1. Bet he can’t even do that right. Probably mistakes the milk with the half n half, and orders the Italian blt instead of the spicy Italian

  • The Lakers have the type of FO that would decide to cut both guys because they couldn’t come to an agreement.

  • The Lakers have the type of FO that would decide to cut both guys because they couldn’t come to an agreement.

  • MWP would make a great coach but in my opinion he is a few steps slower than before. As for Jabari to me it depends on Clarkston’s shoulder. Jabari plays D which we don’t have coming off the bench in the backcourt.

    1. They were talking about that on AM570 today — Brown, not Williams, played with the starters when Clarkson got hurt.

      I don’t think it means anything myself…Brown led (or was a leader) in d-league scoring but never signed. I’d be willing to risk that again considering the Lakers have several guys who can play the #2.

  • MWP would make a great coach but in my opinion he is a few steps slower than before. As for Jabari to me it depends on Clarkston’s shoulder. Jabari plays D which we don’t have coming off the bench in the backcourt.

    1. They were talking about that on AM570 today — Brown, not Williams, played with the starters when Clarkson got hurt.

      I don’t think it means anything myself…Brown led (or was a leader) in d-league scoring but never signed. I’d be willing to risk that again considering the Lakers have several guys who can play the #2.

    1. I’ve been a pretty big critic of his, but I have to give Kelly some props for this pre-season, and not just for the game winning dunk.

      He actually looks like a legitimate stretch 4 and if he gets a little PT they may be able to do something with his expiring contract at the trade deadline.

    1. I’ve been a pretty big critic of his, but I have to give Kelly some props for this pre-season, and not just for the game winning dunk.

      He actually looks like a legitimate stretch 4 and if he gets a little PT they may be able to do something with his expiring contract at the trade deadline.

  • I didn’t think Holmes was all that bad, to be honest. Hopefully they can sign him to the d-league for a year or two.

    With both Bass and Kelly only signed through the end of the year, Holmes seems like a low-risk option to back up Randle down the road.

  • We knew this will eventually happen with Holmes but I just can’t help but feel for the guy seeing how he sacrificed his body on that last play in a Laker uniform and got hurt; that was a very hard dive on the hardwood floor to save a steal.

    Hope someone picked him

    1. I hope he lands on the D-Fenders. Seems active. With some experience I can seem him being a contributor. Maybe he can take Metta’s spot when he’s done

    2. Hopefully he learns how to dive…I mean, he dove ON the ball. Lakers don’t have the time to teach young bucks the basics

  • I didn’t think Holmes was all that bad, to be honest. Hopefully they can sign him to the d-league for a year or two.

    With both Bass and Kelly only signed through the end of the year, Holmes seems like a low-risk option to back up Randle down the road.

  • We knew this will eventually happen with Holmes but I just can’t help but feel for the guy seeing how he sacrificed his body on that last play in a Laker uniform and got hurt; that was a very hard dive on the hardwood floor to save a steal.

    Hope someone picked him

    1. I hope he lands on the D-Fenders. Seems active. With some experience I can seem him being a contributor. Maybe he can take Metta’s spot when he’s done

    2. Hopefully he learns how to dive…I mean, he dove ON the ball. Lakers don’t have the time to teach young bucks the basics

  • All teams have a glorified Sacre on their team .a guy who almost never plays but is a good locker room presence

    1. it’s not like he’s gone the locker room presence becomes bad o.0
      I mean all you need is one random fart (hopefully from Scott) to make everyone laugh in the locker room.

    2. Nobody listens to him and all the other players know he brings nothing to the table. I’d rather throw Metta at Center a few minutes before Sacre.

      1. How would you know no one listens besides being vocal in the locker room isn’t the only thing that matters

          1. Obviously the team owners doesn’t see it that way otherwise he’d be gone a long time ago

          2. Team owners are the only people on the planet that don’t see it then if that’s the case. 99.99% of Laker fans can see he’s useless.

  • All teams have a glorified Sacre on their team .a guy who almost never plays but is a good locker room presence

    1. its not like he’s gone the locker room environment becomes bad 0.o
      I mean all you need is one random fart (hopefully from Scott) to make everyone laugh in the locker room. Then Scott says ‘mustard on the beat’

    2. Nobody listens to him and all the other players know he brings nothing to the table. I’d rather throw Metta at Center a few minutes before Sacre.

      1. How would you know no one listens besides being vocal in the locker room isn’t the only thing that matters

          1. Obviously the team owners doesn’t see it that way otherwise he would have been gone a long time ago

          2. Team owners are the ONLY people on the planet that don’t see it then if that’s the case. 99.99% of Laker fans can see he’s useless.

    1. I can make a case for Jabari Brown, but the lack of defense last night definitely improves MWP chances. Our defense last night was indeed lousy and we do need the help.

    1. I can make a case for Jabari Brown, but the lack of defense last night definitely improves MWP chances. Our defense last night was indeed lousy and we do need the help.

  • This team is just in the early steps of rebuild and at the moment their a below average team unless some players rise and prove himself like clarkson did last season

  • This team is just in the early steps of rebuild and at the moment their a below average team unless some players rise and prove himself like clarkson did last season

    1. Except the Lakers front office when they picked up his third year option just a few months back

        1. Don’t ask me bub ask the Lakers front office they’re the ones who just resigned him

    2. Other teams know there’s no chance of signing him as a free agent next year so they’re not even going to make pitches.

    1. Except the Lakers front office when they picked up his third year option just a few months back

        1. Don’t ask me bub ask the Lakers front office they’re the ones who just resigned him

    2. Other teams know there’s no chance of signing him as a free agent next year so they’re not even going to make pitches.

  • As much as I like MWP on the team, he is A LOT slower now. What I would like to see is us keep him on as defensive coach or something like that and keep J.Brown on the team. But either way they go it’s not gonna make or break the team. Everybody is down on Sacre but he is a very servicable 3rd string center and we need that. Kelly stepped it up in preseason and he was one I was ready to give up on. Sure didn’t see anything from Bass in preseason, I hope he is better than he seems so far. The big BIG, really big, question mark is Russell. I keep pulling for him to start to show some of what we keep hearing about but have yet to see, other than for a brief moment here and there. We don’t get number 2 picks very often. I am really hoping he lives up to the hype. In any case, we are almost ready to kick it off again for this year and I am ready to get behind this years team and watch us grow. GO LAKERS …

  • As much as I like MWP on the team, he is A LOT slower now. What I would like to see is us keep him on as defensive coach or something like that and keep J.Brown on the team. But either way they go it’s not gonna make or break the team. Everybody is down on Sacre but he is a very servicable 3rd string center and we need that. Kelly stepped it up in preseason and he was one I was ready to give up on. Sure didn’t see anything from Bass in preseason, I hope he is better than he seems so far. The big BIG, really big, question mark is Russell. I keep pulling for him to start to show some of what we keep hearing about but have yet to see, other than for a brief moment here and there. We don’t get number 2 picks very often. I am really hoping he lives up to the hype. In any case, we are almost ready to kick it off again for this year and I am ready to get behind this years team and watch us grow. GO LAKERS …

  • Byron Scott as a coach
    No Set Plays, All one on one play.
    No Defense.
    Don’t believe that 3 point shot can win championship, BUT GSW DID.
    Player substitution, Bass or Kelly at center is a joke.

    Byron Scott will be fired soon. He was fired by Cleveland, New Orleans and New Jersey. Maybe Magic Johnson should help him and practice some Set Plays.

    1. we have set plays.
      our defense is solid and will grow as the season grows
      we are taking alot of threes
      agreed

      scott is a great coach at developing kids which is what we need him for. once his contract is done i doubt he is reuped

  • Byron Scott as a coach
    No Set Plays, All one on one play.
    No Defense.
    Don’t believe that 3 point shot can win championship, BUT GSW DID.
    Player substitution, Bass or Kelly at center is a joke.

    Byron Scott will be fired soon. He was fired by Cleveland, New Orleans and New Jersey. Maybe Magic Johnson should help him and practice some Set Plays.

    1. we have set plays.
      our defense is solid and will grow as the season grows
      we are taking alot of threes
      agreed

      scott is a great coach at developing kids which is what we need him for. once his contract is done i doubt he is reuped

  • I noticed during that debacle last night that, Scott kept going with Kelly and Bass down low, and they were getting hammered on the boards when doing so. Neither are known rebounders, so why play them while keeping Black, Nance, Artest, and even Sacre on the bench?

      1. Nance could play center better than Kelly or Bass. Larry is never a liability out there because he gives great effort, does his job on defense and the boards, and can knock down an open shot.

      2. YES, he was trying them out. Its ok to try the linu-up out , he tried it for a quarter the other night, half the game this time. My take , It doesn’t look like its a good line up because lack of rebounding and rim protection.

    1. Glad other fans noticed it too. Byron didn’t seem to. Everything GS ran ended up in the paint or the kickout. Curry went for layups several times with no contest. Barnes, Ezeli getting tons of putback.

      I agree with Nance. He’s our best bet as small ball center. Taller than Bass and gets up 2 floors above Bass to contest shots. If a young Josh smith could be defensive force, Nance can be too.

  • I noticed during that debacle last night that, Scott kept going with Kelly and Bass down low, and they were getting hammered on the boards when doing so. Neither are known rebounders, so why play them while keeping Black, Nance, Artest, and even Sacre on the bench?

      1. Nance could play center better than Kelly or Bass. Larry is never a liability out there because he gives great effort, does his job on defense and the boards, and can knock down an open shot.

      2. YES, he was trying them out. Its ok to try the linu-up out , he tried it for a quarter the other night, half the game this time. My take , It doesn’t look like its a good line up because lack of rebounding and rim protection.

    1. Glad other fans noticed it too. Byron didn’t seem to. Everything GS ran ended up in the paint or the kickout. Curry went for layups several times with no contest. Barnes, Ezeli getting tons of putback.

      I agree with Nance. He’s our best bet as small ball center. Taller than Bass and gets up 2 floors above Bass to contest shots. If a young Josh smith could be defensive force, Nance can be too.

  • Hoping that A.Brown turned into a nice 3 and D wing with length. He had a good game last night, maybe start in the opener

  • Hoping that A.Brown turned into a nice 3 and D wing with length. He had a good game last night, maybe start in the opener

  • Jordan Clarkson’s MRI came back normal and just has a sore right shoulder. Basketball Gods are watching over the lakers! lol

  • Jordan Clarkson’s MRI came back normal and just has a sore right shoulder. Basketball Gods are watching over the lakers! lol

  • Please let nobody pick offense in what am going today, this is what i feel. Why not we cut Anthony Brown, he haven’t really represent much that spot he is playing in this our critical stage.

    1. See i like this idea, I think Jabari Brown, Tarik Black, MWP offer more than Anthony Brown. I would welcome the idea of cutting Anthony Brown.

  • Please let nobody pick offense in what am going today, this is what i feel. Why not we cut Anthony Brown, he haven’t really represent much that spot he is playing in this our critical stage.

    1. See i like this idea, I think Jabari Brown, Tarik Black, MWP offer more than Anthony Brown. I would welcome the idea of cutting Anthony Brown.

  • feel bad for this guy especially after he sacrificed his body and showed heart on that play he got injured on.

    1. Well at least because of that injury, and he was playing for the Lakers at the time, the Lakers have to Pay for all the medical billings and i believe he will get a minimum of 100,000 the amount that was guaranteed.

  • feel bad for this guy especially after he sacrificed his body and showed heart on that play he got injured on.

    1. Well at least because of that injury, and he was playing for the Lakers at the time, the Lakers have to Pay for all the medical billings and i believe he will get a minimum of 100,000 the amount that was guaranteed.

  • 1st string:
    Clarkson. PG
    Russell. SG
    Bryant. SF
    Randle. PF
    Hibbert. C

    2nd String:
    Huertas. PG
    Lou. SG
    Young. SF
    Bass. PF
    Black. C

    3rd String:

    Nance. PF
    A Brown. SF
    Kelley. PF
    Sacre. C

    I kind of figured out what the thinking is with Bass playing some Center in the 4Q of the last preseason game; if we look at the obvious lineups here the PF position is a little redundant. If Bass had looked somewhat competent yesterday maybe he could play some backup 3rd string Center while Black becomes expendable and the obvious open roster space would then be filled by Metta.

    I don’t like the idea of letting Black go as I believe he is a more valuable asset to the team due to Metta being capable on the staff and during practice as he is as a player so why waste a roster for an aging player who has been injured overseas?

  • 1st string:
    Clarkson. PG
    Russell. SG
    Bryant. SF
    Randle. PF
    Hibbert. C

    2nd String:
    Huertas. PG
    Lou. SG
    Young. SF
    Bass. PF
    Black. C

    3rd String:

    Nance. PF
    A Brown. SF
    Kelley. PF
    Sacre. C

    I kind of figured out what the thinking is with Bass playing some Center in the 4Q of the last preseason game; if we look at the obvious lineups here the PF position is a little redundant. If Bass had looked somewhat competent yesterday maybe he could play some backup 3rd string Center while Black becomes expendable and the obvious open roster space would then be filled by Metta.

    I don’t like the idea of letting Black go as I believe he is a more valuable asset to the team due to Metta being capable on the staff and during practice as he is as a player so why waste a roster for an aging player who has been injured overseas?

  • Wonder who Kobe wants to keep? Does Kobe just want to be a developmental team, 21 wins and less? For example, Take our #1 pick, the #2 pick in entire Draft – Coach and Kobe must decide, what should Amount of time spent on Court by D’Angelo be this year? The amount of playing time is equal to the development of our #1 Choice, this point is made clear, by Laker Nation – but can I count on Kobe to, “be patient, teach our #1 Choice”? What Would Kobe Do (WWKD)??

  • Wonder who Kobe wants to keep? Does Kobe just want to be a developmental team, 21 wins and less? For example, Take our #1 pick, the #2 pick in entire Draft – Coach and Kobe must decide, what should Amount of time spent on Court by D’Angelo be this year? The amount of playing time is equal to the development of our #1 Choice, this point is made clear, by Laker Nation – but can I count on Kobe to, “be patient, teach our #1 Choice”? What Would Kobe Do (WWKD)??

  • Does Kobe want only 21 wins, or Does Kobe want more wins, & go for Playoffs? If Kobe wants to go for Playoffs and more then 21 wins, is Kobe that GOAT that Kobe can have developmental players have more minutes, and still win more then 21 games? WWKD ??

  • Does Kobe want only 21 wins, or Does Kobe want more wins, & go for Playoffs? If Kobe wants to go for Playoffs and more then 21 wins, is Kobe that GOAT that Kobe can have developmental players have more minutes, and still win more then 21 games? WWKD ??

  • Keep MWP and Jabari Brown. Just simply cut Sacre. I hope we can get back Robert Upshaw in the D-League and anything happen on the elimination phase with our Center we can tap him anytime. Just my thoughts LN…………

    1. Robert Upshaw can be picked up by any NBA team. I really hope he can go to somewhere that is willing to give him a chance, just to shove it right into the FO’s face.

      1. Yeah i am aware of it but i hope we can still can get him back in our Defenders…….. I believe it was a wrong move by FO but they are the one calling the shot. Sacre should be cut instead of him. He need some more time to develop and get back his confidence……..

  • Keep MWP and Jabari Brown. Just simply cut Sacre. I hope we can get back Robert Upshaw in the D-League and anything happen on the elimination phase with our Center we can tap him anytime. Just my thoughts LN…………

    1. Robert Upshaw can be picked up by any NBA team. I really hope he can go to somewhere that is willing to give him a chance, just to shove it right into the FO’s face.

      1. Yeah i am aware of it but i hope we can still can get him back in our Defenders…….. I believe it was a wrong move by FO but they are the one calling the shot. Sacre should be cut instead of him. He need some more time to develop and get back his confidence……..

  • We have too many guards, Lou, Russell, Huertas, Young and Kobe can also play guards. We need MWP’s veteran leadership, serves as mentors for the rooks, and he can still play some defense and score. Cut Jabari Brown, or better yet, keep him and waive Sacre.

  • We have too many guards, Lou, Russell, Huertas, Young and Kobe can also play guards. We need MWP’s veteran leadership, serves as mentors for the rooks, and he can still play some defense and score. Cut Jabari Brown, or better yet, keep him and waive Sacre.

  • Both Brown & Peace should be cut to open up a spot for some other player, via trade or otherwise.

  • Both Brown & Peace should be cut to open up a spot for some other player, via trade or otherwise.

  • come man la lakers waive sacre, anthony brown and bring back upshaw and stay remain to team mwp with Jabari Brown

  • I don’t get how BS is “trying to preserve” Kobe playing him 32 minutes in a game. Yes it was nice to see him play, and he did have an unusally good game, and gave us the win, but come on. Either ACTUALLY put a real limit on his minutes like under 25 or just ride him until the wheels fall off like you did last year. Either way he is not playing 72 more games.

    1. Have you been following the season?
      Kobe plays, then based on how he feels he rests.

      Are you really saying that another human being will break down and saying Kobe won’t make it to April 15? And you say you are a Lakers fan?

      wow.

      1. Yeah Kobe plays way too many minutes and then his body is spent so he can’t play the next game, or two. if he cut 5-10 minutes off his play i would think he could recover a little better.

        1. Let’s let Vitti, Scott and Kobe figure it out.

          Being an arm-chair physical therapist really doesn’t contribute much.

          1. You’re absolutely right. Let’s leave it to the coach that ran Kobe into the ground last year, Kobe himself that will play until his limbs fall off and the medical staff that has amassed the most injuries in two years that any team has ever seen. That sounds like a sound decision SMH.

          2. Is it your team?
            Are you Kobe?

            Do you have a degree in physical therapy?

            It’s not in your control. And you assume that those who are in control, are going to make poor decisions.

          3. I think he assumes that they will make the same decisions like last year, with roughly the same results. 37 year olds shouldn’t play 30+ min if they want to play all the season.

    2. Kobe playing 32 is too much, Kobe needs to stay away from the 30th minute mark of PT(28 mins. is ideal)

        1. dude, last year Kobe told scott he can only do 32 minutes a game yet Scott overplayed him, how much more now that Kobe is a year older with a once again injured body? BELOW 30 minutes is good, anything above 30 is NO unless it’s OT

  • I love Kobe and i would like to see him finish the year injury free and play in 60% of the games. But the truth is it doesn’t matter if he makes through the season or not. The focus is on the future. If he plays great the fans will get to see him one last time. If not fine we have young guys to develop. If we we’re a championship contender. I’d be concerned about Kobe. But we’re not and the fact is he not in the future plans for the Lakers going forward. But as a fan of Kobe I hope he can turn back the clock for one game this season and put up a 40-50 point night.

  • More Reckless reporting.
    To take the words of one b-tier new site and the alleged opinion of one unnamed executive, and then amplify it with the voice of this site is shameful.

    All it’s doing is spreading noise and words that have no benefit to the organization.

    It must be quota day.

    In response, I say that if Kobe doesn’t finish the season he won’t play in the Olympics.

  • If he continues to play 32+ min a game he won’t make it. What happened to the min restriction BS?

    1. So far he’s played in 8 games with a 30.4 average.

      And it’s a learning process for both Scott and Kobe to figure out how much he can contribute.

      What more do you want?

      1. It was a learning process last season. At what point do you take heed of recent experience? This is trending the same way it did with Nash.

      2. Kobe sitting out because of back & leg pain. Just commenting that he might not make it till Feb playing so many minutes. Earlier in the pre-season commentators opinions on Access Sports were that Kobe min would be around 25 per game.

  • Should the Black Mamba feel ready to Play, Go for it. Should the Black Mamba need rest, Go for it. If Black Mamba feel up for discussion? Then I,
    Propose: 28 minutes ?

    1st Q: 6 min (start)
    2nd Q: 0 min
    3rd Q: 10 min (start)
    4th Q: 12 min

    Critical / meaningful minutes

    Honestly, I feel Kobe has been so Awesome, for twenty + season, for multiple reasons: God-Given “Rare” Super Talent and Wisdom. Wisdom to know hisself, above all else, but always to put the Best Kobe on floor for the Win and a spectacular performance from the Black Mamba, every time. At this rate, imo, Kobe can last another four years !!

    1. 28 minutes is ideal, but the more concerning is the stints, he should get 2 stints per Q(3-4 minute per stint)…….say,
      1st Q: Kobe will play the first four minutes and last 2 minutes(6 mins. total)

      2nd Q: Kobe will start the second quarter playing 2 minutes, will return last 5 minutes of the first half of the game(7 mins. total)

      3rd Q: Kobe will play the first 5 minutes and last 2 minutes of the quarter( 7 minutes total)

      4th Q: Kobe will start the first 2 minutes of this quarter and the last 5 minutes(7 minutes)

      total of 27 minutes

  • Man, I hope they don’t bring this comment up to Kobe, so then he goes out and tries to prove it wrong and he plays until his legs fall off.

  • I believe kobe will still play but only if management he will demand get better players than bass for example or huertas and a better coach!

    1. Isn’t it funny how players like Bass that always played well against us and had career games can’t even make simple layups? I was expecting to see the player that played against us, instead we get someone that looks like he’s trying to learn the game all over.

      1. I think its disappointing if you look at his season statshe has more turnovers falling literally to the ground than points!

          1. Bass has 4.9ppg and 1.2TO.

            When you use the word stats, you should double check before you post.

            I applaud the direct insult to about my avatar. It shows you can’t win a battle on words and logic. Try googling the name b166-er, maybe it will give you some insight and explain why you’re insult is a bit off base.

          2. you should check stats last yea rfor the celtics he posted 10.4 points a game and 0.6 turnovers!

          3. Huh?
            First you are attacking Bass, now you are refuting the stats i posted with those from Last year?

            Put down the Mt. Dew, go outside, and walk it off.

  • With this likely being Kobe’s last season, I hope they retire both of Kobe’s numbers as well as putting both numbers on his statue, maybe one number on the front another number on the back.

      1. Yeah, and also I’ve noticed the number 8 hasn’t been touched since Kobe switched to 24, so maybe a possibility

          1. to a point i agree, they will retire 24 however i have a feeling 8 will never be worn again as a kind of unofficel retiring

  • As we all know, Kobe has been our savior from the time he became “Kobe”. But the franchise will TRULY begin to progress once he retires…..hopefully at the end of the season. Also, BS needs to go. His philosophy is not young development friendly. He’s going to continue to play Kobe 30+ mins, all while harping Russell for not producing like he should. At this point in Kobes career, he’s thinking “I need to add points to my career total” and the team knows it, that’s why every time his hands touch the ball, the entire team slides to the weak side for his iso. Unfortunately, Kobe is not his former self (due to age). So Scott HAS to keep Kobe around 25 mins. If not, not only will we continue stink, but we’ll also be missing out on our youth movement…..so basically this season will be a COMPLETE bust if Scott don’t shorten the leash for Bryant and loosen it for Russell and the rest of the young guys.

    1. kobe is his formerself has been always will be he and clarkson saved our hides from the pistons!

      1. Dude that was one game. And name a time that a prime Kobe averaged 19 points on 30 something percent shooting…….don’t kid urself man, he is BY FAR not his former self.

    2. Although, Kobe has been jacking up shots, I don’t think adding to his scoring record is his concern. It’s likely he won’t get any higher on the scoring leader board (unless he plays a few more seasons, which seems unlikely) and the last game he took fewer 3s and looked to distribute. I’m hoping Kobe goes back to that style of play, rather than looking to jack up 3s all day. This is just a ISO system, whoever gets the ball on offense is going to look to get his shot. It happens every time down the court, Scott has no system what’s so ever. Basically a guard brings the ball up to pass it to whoever, and the person with the ball looks for his unless they can’t shake a defender then kicks out. Also, as you said Scott is not helping the development, when Kobe doesn’t play it would be perfect for Russell and let’s say Anthony Brown to get minutes, however Scott fails to do so.

    3. Kupchak and Jim Buss need to go. Mark Jackson is a good guy to develop the young players, especially Russell.

    1. hes not going to play tell at least friday which is a 5 day rest 3-5 extra mins for 5 days rest is very much ok

  • He going to play next year but need good role players! Tired of seeing bass on offense falling losing the ball every five seconds!

        1. There are things called “facts”, you can actually measure stuff to back up an argument. Unfortunately for you, facts aren’t on your side.

          FACT: Dirk Nowitzki is averaging better stats than Kobe Bryant, and both are the same age.

          1. Dirk’s 18 PPG and 7 RPG is better than Kobe’s 16 PPG and 4 RPG. Again, it’s really annoying having to spell everything out for you.

          2. kobe 4 assist per game better then dirks 1.

            kobes 1 steal per game better then dirks .2

            kobes deffensive and offensive ratings are better then dirks

          3. There you go reaching again. Pathetic, but totally expected from a Kobe fanboy.

          4. out of the 10 major stats kobe is better in 6 of them aka hes still better the one thats reaching is you.

            dirk has to be taken off the court because his defense is so bad

          5. Technically, there’s only 3 major stat lines, and Dirk is better than Kobe in 2 of them. Nice try, though.

          6. no there are ten.

            ppg, rpg, apg, spg, bpg.

            thats five right there with out trying

            btw in just these 5 kobe has the lead in 3 of them

          7. Kobe has better averages in two of those categories you listed. Only SPG and APG, and I could easily bring up Dirk’s shooting statistics, which are far and away better than Kobe’s.

          8. How convenient of you to not think it matters. You’ve been ignorant this entire time, so why stop now, right?

          9. as a matter of fact the only stat that can be called a personal stat would be free throw % because its the only stat that cant be effected by a team be it your team or the other team

          10. very much true. every other stat is directly changed by teams be it your team or the other team

          11. And you’ll still be stupid for trying to say Kobe is better than Dirk this season, lol.

          12. Neither can Kobe… You’re splitting hairs here. But just from actually watching mavs games, Dirk looks like he has more left in the tank then Kobe.

          13. What does nba level defender mean to you? He’s been terrible for a while but he’s absolutely awful this season. You don’t even need stats to tell you this if you just watch him. Kobe is my favorite player of all time but that’s just he truth.

          14. well then you dont watch basketball kobe is the lakers 4th best defender this season

          15. No I don’t. I just let my league pass subscription go to waste the past 6 years… I guess Kobe isn’t too bad then. Because the lakers obviously have 3 legit defenders keeping them from falling to the bottom of the nba in defense efficiency.

          16. Not sure where you are looking but the few sites I pulled up have them at 25 or 26. Besides, 21/30 is not middle of the pack. And being the 4th best defender on a 21st ranked defense is quite bad and on a 26th ranked team is pretty much bottom of the barrel. I guess being one of the worst defenders in the nba is still “nba level”. It doesn’t look like we are going to agree but the actual stats (individual & team) speak for themselves. Have a good one. Kobe Bryant 4 life.

          17. looked on nba(dot)coms powerrankings which have the pace offensive and defensive ranks on top of the post.

  • Scott just need to look at how Carlisle manages the minutes of Dirk. Carlisle uses him in spurts. No matter what happens he sticks to that. That way the subs for Kobe is also prepared and Kobe also can give his all when he is on the floor.

    1. The difference is dirk doesn’t have a massive ego and won’t dictate the coaches decision unlike kobe and Scott which is the exact opposite

      1. Do you have any proof that Kobe is the one dictating to Scott? Or you’re just stupid enough that you forgot Scott admitted that Kobe wanted to play lesser minutes and it was him that thought Kobe could play longer. Use your head before you post.

        1. Do u have proof that he isnt except some obvious sports news , do u work for the team brass dummy?

          1. Do you work for the team brass moron? So where do you get yours, in your imagination? Do something productive so your mind doesn’t think of stupid and idiotic things that leads you to trolling.

          2. Hahaha ur getting your panties soaking wet over this seriously? Ur pathetic your actually defending ppl who don’t know or give a $hit about u ,sad .lol

          3. Look who’s getting off by trolling and gettjng attention by posting idiotic and baseless stuff. Ok you done now, you got people to teply to you. Wipe your hands first you don’t want sticky fingers while typing. Call your mom for the tissue.

          4. Yup you really are pathetic,for your info you’re the one who responded to my post,I really couldn’t give a rats a $$ if you don’t like it

          5. Yeah cause trolls like you need to be put in their place. Better yet get out of this site. Stupid and idiotic trolls like you deserve all the sh*t you have in you’re life. Just get out of here and come back when you have facts instead of using your imagination because you don’t get to see much sunlight in your mom’s basement.

          6. Ooooh I’m scared now , Internet bully , hahahaha . MAKE ME DUMMY!!!!!

          7. I know you won’t stop because this is the only time where you get to socialize with others. But still even with your ugly face hidden nobody notices you that’s why you reply like a moron to my post to get attention.

          8. That the only thing you can say, i’m sure you can come up with better. Use your imagination like when you 1st replied to my post. Don’t completely sell yourself as an idiot. C’mon man, you can do better than that.

          9. Choose better next time who to troll. Say hi to your mom for me and wipe your hands before you type again. I’m glad i helped you today to get some excitement in your life.

          10. Say hi to your mom for me, get more tissue i know it tends to get lonely for you when you spend you’re whole life in the basement. Next time don’t be an idiot right off the bat.

          11. And you’re really a moron to the highest level. You’re the one who replied to my post dumbass with your Kobe ego sh*t. You really are an idiot, just go call your mom to give you your meds.

          12. Now he really is enjoying, he likes it more when he gets more replies. Must be shaking now with excitement.

      2. All great players have egos. Maybe you don’t have an ego that’s why you’re still living with you’re mom and typing away in the basement.

          1. Too bad for you coz I’m not gonna waste my time debating to a Lowlife fanboy who can’t see reality, ciao

          2. Reality, show some proof then moron. If you don’t have facts then it is not reality. It’s called your imagination, just like the world you’re living in right now in you’re mom’s basement.

      3. lol, Kobe said to Scott last year that he can only play up to 32 minutes per game(which was proven by stats to be true) but scott keeps on playing him near 40 minutes

      1. No, I mean a pool. And sell squares. And the winner gets all the money. Have you not heard of this before?

          1. google “football pool” and you’ll probably see an explanation. You take a piece of paper and divide it into a certain number of squares. In this case, each square would represent a particular date in the season between now and April. People “buy squares,” say $5.00 per square, until every square is sold. Then each square is assigned a date. Then, when Kobe actually goes down for the remainder of the season, you look to see which date that happened. Whoever bought the square that has that date on it gets all the money.

    1. Seems a little morbid to be betting on his career ending injury. I think you’d get a ton of flak for this.

    2. Boooo! That’s so insensitive! But i kind of think you mean well….
      Stay blessed and at your best!

  • I agree with that GM. Kobe can barely walk after games. He has played way too many games and minutes. Your body can only take so much. He has no lift on his shots because his legs are done. It’s sad to see him go out like this but everyone has to retire at some point and the injuries just made it worse for him.

  • I know a lot of you are like me, we squirm all summer and fall reading every tidbit of news and we just can’t wait for the season to start. No matter what the “experts” say we hold out hope that this year will be better and are excited about the new guys and the whole deal. Hoping Kobe will have a great year and we make the playoffs and then “anything can happen.” We didn’t think it would be this bad did we? But we don’t give up because we are loyal fans. I pull for Kobe on every shot and swear he looks better than his percentage tells us ( they will start going in won’t they?). And we want Russell to be great and for that high draft pick not be a waste when we could have had Okafer or that giant the Knicks. Its getting dark, but we are still hoping

  • Cavs pick n’ roll defense can’t handle Reggie Jackson like we did… We are getting better, like i said. I hope two wins in the next two games. Raptors will be tough, but if we grab the rebounds we can win for sure

    1. I’m watching Cavs vs Pistons and now i change to Denver vs Pelicans. My goodness this team of New Orleans… Are they tank to grab Simmons and put him with AD? haha

        1. Skal is project but most scouts see his potential as LMA with some rim protection…not bad, but not worth tanking…..

  • if you can’t say who, it’s you. So let’s make this very clear Ryan ward says that Kobe Bryant will not make it to February. That sounds more honest to me.

  • It is sad to see Kobe as a shell of his former self but it happens to everyone. I do blame the Buss family for paying him such huge money in his waning years and delaying a true rebuild until his inflated contract is over.

      1. The Lakers have been rebuilding for the last three years, and they’re on pace to do even worse than last season. Kobe’s salary has not helped the franchise, and you’re on Kobe’s jock too hard to realize that.

        1. if we dont have kobe eating 25m and getting hurt do we win more games yes or no?

          if yes then that means we dont get russ clark randle nance and brown who are all major pices of our future.

          if no then you agree kobe is not hurting the team so again tell e how im wrong

          1. If you had Kobe making $10M a year, you’re allowing the team a chance to be competitive and flexible. Dallas and San Antonio are both doing it.

            The Lakers’ recent draft picks – aside from Randle – aren’t that good. If you think those guys will lead the Lakers to greatness, you’re going to be rebuilding for longer than you think.

          2. if kobe takes 10 mill we dont win a title we likely dont get into the playoffs and we dont get our picks so were stuck being bad for years to come with kobe making a ton less money. in other words no one wins

  • I told them that I have no doubt that we will win a championship in my tenure here as head coach,” Scott told ESPN this week, “because I know this organization. But I do know it’s going to take some patience. It’s a process” This old quote from Byron is hilarious.

    1. No…he is sounding as you would want your coach to sound. There is nothing hilarious about it. Plus, he is telling the truth on all accounts. Coaches use to be given time to pull something together, now they are fired within 2 seasons. We no longer have many coaches with any type of tenure on a team.

      Look at the Spurs. They went 7 years between championships yet nobody for moment thought about telling Pop to leave. If that had been the Lakers, everybody would have been saying that he no longer could do the job well.

      1. I can’t think of a poorer example. 7 years of over .600 bball with trips to the playoffs every year vs 2 years of under .350 bball with consecutive trips to the lottery.

        1. I would expect you to say that because of how you typically look at things on here. When winning championships is the only goal for a team and you go 7 years without one and only 1 of those years were you even in the finals, that is not typically received well by the fan base. You ask Yankee fans how they feel about just making the post season but not winning the WS.

          I was actually commending the Spurs with my comment because they have stayed with Pop whether they win or lose each year. That has as much to do with their consistency as anything else. The only consistency with the Lakers over the last 10 years has been Kobe Bryant. That’s a problem.

          1. Pop had the added benefit of actually leading that team to championships. A pedigree so to speak. Many of the times the Spurs got knocked out, they simply ran into better teams, so their FO adjusted the team rather than the coach. The Spurs are not a big market team like the Lakers nor do they possess even 10 percent of the Lakers’ fanbase. Their FO is the most well-run in the NBA. If this FO were that well run, Byron would not