Kobe Bryant Doubtful For Lakers Vs. Warriors, Opening Night Status

It’s been eight days since Los Angeles Lakers guard Kobe Bryant suffered a lower leg contusion, after taking a knee to his calf in the team’s matchup against the Sacramento Kings in Las Vegas last week. Bryant has yet to practice, though he came in to the Lakers practice facility on Wednesday to receive treatment.

Bryant is listed as doubtful for the Lakers preseason finale against the Golden State Warriors on Thursday night at Honda Center, and head coach Byron Scott says there’s only about a 10 percent chance he could play.

Though Scott has maintained a minimal level of concern for Bryant’s contusion (lower leg bruising), the question lingers whether Bryant will be ready for Opening Night on October 28th against the Minnesota Timberwolves.

“We’re just going to start gearing up for next Wednesday. He (Bryant) says he feels a lot better, but we’ve still got to get him out and just get him on the court and running and all that good stuff. I’m still not in a real hurry, and I’m not concerned he’ll be ready for the 28th,” Scott said about Kobe’s Opening Night status.

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Scott did say he would like Bryant to get a couple practices under his belt, before they make that decision, but does anticipate Bryant being “100 percent” for the first game of the season.

Lou Williams, who had some lingering groin soreness, is officially listed as probable for tomorrow’s game, and is expected to play barring any morning setbacks. Williams was able to practice in full on Wednesday, including full-court scrimmaging.

The Lakers waived center Robert Upshaw and guard Michael Frazier II on Tuesday, and still have a couple cuts to make before the end of the preseason. As expected, Scott said today that Marcelo Huertas has “pretty much” solidified a roster spot.

Metta World Peace and Jabari Brown are both on the fringe of making the final roster.

“Fit,” Scott said about what the Lakers are looking for in their final cuts. “We want this to be a perfect match for all our guys and again, the chemistry with this team has been fantastic and we want that to continue, and I think that’s a lot of the reasons these guys are getting what we’re putting in so much sooner that I expected.”

According to Scott, the final batch of cuts probably won’t be announced until Monday or Tuesday of next week.

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Kobe’s injury was more serious than originally thought

  • Out for the final preseason game, then it will be the season opener, then it will be the first week of the season, then it will be the first month of the season. It’s getting old now.

  • Out for the final preseason game, then it will be out for the season opener, then it will be out for the first week of the season, then it will be out for the first month of the season, then it will be back by midseason. It’s getting old now.

  • im going to predict mid season retirement at this point…the mind is willing, the body isn’t able. Maybe we can get a fat trade exception if he does this and pick up someone like Batum, who is going to be a free agent and could use a change of scenery with his recent divorce or even an Evan Turner.

  • im going to predict mid season retirement at this point…the mind is willing, the body isn’t able. Maybe we can get a fat trade exception if he does this and pick up someone like Batum, who is going to be a free agent and could use a change of scenery with his recent divorce or even an Evan Turner.

  • Kobe doesn’t need to play another PRE-SEASON game……Some of you sound absurd with your PRE-SEASON diagnosis…..Let’s Move On.

  • Kobe doesn’t need to play another PRE-SEASON game……Some of you sound absurd with your PRE-SEASON diagnosis…..Let’s Move On.

  • We have the fire power with out him and right now playing pretty good as a team also, so makes no difference , except that taking up a spot on the bench that may not be used.

  • We have the fire power with out him and right now playing pretty good as a team also, so makes no difference , except that taking up a spot on the bench that may not be used.

  • I was thinking after the all star game, he will sit down, unless we are playing 50/55 % ball.

  • I was thinking after the all star game, he will sit down, unless we are playing 50/55 % ball.

  • No its his age and all the wars he has been in, one more good thump and he will be done.

  • No its his age and all the wars he has been in, one more good thump and he will be done.

  • The team seems to play better without Kobe than they do with him. I suspect that is not Kobe’s fault but the fact that he intimidates them. When he is on the floor everybody stops being natural and looks to him as what to do next.
    I would like to see him not used as a starter. Perhaps he might raise the stimulus level when the reserves are sent in to put out the fire. He also is a great student of the game so he would be in a good place to evaluate the current situation. Sort of like having another coach.

  • The team seems to play better without Kobe than they do with him. I suspect that is not Kobe’s fault but the fact that he intimidates them. When he is on the floor everybody stops being natural and looks to him as what to do next.
    I would like to see him not used as a starter. Perhaps he might raise the stimulus level when the reserves are sent in to put out the fire. He also is a great student of the game so he would be in a good place to evaluate the current situation. Sort of like having another coach.

  • Sacre and Holmes needs to be cut, if they kept Sacre and cut MWP then I have lost all respect for the FO.

  • Sacre and Holmes needs to be cut, if they kept Sacre and cut MWP then I have lost all respect for the FO.

  • I have to agree with you. Kobe’s body is very fragile right now after all the wear and tear. Another setback would really put him into consideration of calling it quits. I predict he goes through the season, but playing only in about 50-60 games.

  • I have to agree with you. Kobe’s body is very fragile right now after all the wear and tear. Another setback would really put him into consideration of calling it quits. I predict he goes through the season, but playing only in about 50-60 games.

  • Kobes gonna be fine and have a great season and shut all of the non believers up… especially BSPN. I read where we are picked to finish last in the west… not gonna happen.

  • Kobes gonna be fine and have a great season and shut all of the non believers up… especially BSPN. I read where we are picked to finish last in the west… not gonna happen.

  • They could make MWP a coach. That way he could still participate in practices and they could always bring him in later if the team suffered significant injuries. It looks like he has been coaching Randle.

  • They could make MWP a coach. That way he could still participate in practices and they could always bring him in later if the team suffered significant injuries. It looks like he has been coaching Randle.

  • Seriously is Kobe going to make it through this season uninjured at his age ? It’s crucial for him to stay healthy if our Lakes are going to make a run at the Playoffs so I hope they really limit his minutes especially on meaningless games until April !!!

  • Seriously is Kobe going to make it through this season uninjured at his age ? It’s crucial for him to stay healthy if our Lakes are going to make a run at the Playoffs so I hope they really limit his minutes especially on meaningless games until April !!!

  • Anybody know if Robert Upshaw cleared waivers? So the Lakers can stash him on our Dleague team.

  • Anybody know if Robert Upshaw cleared waivers? So the Lakers can stash him on our Dleague team.

  • Just watched a bit of the undefeated Hornets game with the Piston. I must say Jeremy Lin is balling. He’s got Michael Jordan gushing all over him.

  • Just watched a bit of the undefeated Hornets game with the Piston. I must say Jeremy Lin is balling. He’s got Michael Jordan gushing all over him.

  • If it wasn’t for his “friend” Rondo kicking his foot out to trip Kobe because he got blown by he wouldn’t even be hurt. So glad that has been didn’t come to the Lakers.

  • If it wasn’t for his “friend” Rondo kicking his foot out to trip Kobe because he got blown by he wouldn’t even be hurt. So glad that has been didn’t come to the Lakers.

  • Just saw feature of Upshaw on Backstage Lakers…

    He was staying at a hotel right next to the practice facility. He talked about his drug and alcohol problems that got him kicked off two schools.
    On the court he’s making strides, but he needs time in the d-league to show he wants it. Upshaw has to earn it

  • I think this is a really smart post, but it ain’t gonna happen. Nobody puts Baby in the corner.

  • I think this is a really smart post, but it ain’t gonna happen. Nobody puts Baby in the corner.

  • I don’t think anyone ever said dude can’t shoot or get to the basket. Problem with him was that he couldn’t defend because of lack of lateral movement and his overall strength. I also think that he’s mentally soft, he is only confident when he’s playing well and gets too upset when he struggles.

    He may fair better in the east, he won’t have to go up against the better pgs in the league…curry, cp3, Conley, Lillard, Westbrook, Parker…the east has John wall and that’s about it unless I missed someone.

    For someone with marginal talent who’s soft mentally the east is a better situation, if that doesn’t pan out there is always Europe or Asia, he’d be above average there.

  • I don’t think anyone ever said dude can’t shoot or get to the basket. Problem with him was that he couldn’t defend because of lack of lateral movement and his overall strength. I also think that he’s mentally soft, he is only confident when he’s playing well and gets too upset when he struggles.

    He may fair better in the east, he won’t have to go up against the better pgs in the league…curry, cp3, Conley, Lillard, Westbrook, Parker…the east has John wall and that’s about it unless I missed someone.

    For someone with marginal talent who’s soft mentally the east is a better situation, if that doesn’t pan out there is always Europe or Asia, he’d be above average there.

  • They have been better with Kobe out in the Pre-Season but that could also be because Huertas played in the two games he was out.

  • They have been better with Kobe out in the Pre-Season but that could also be because Huertas played in the two games he was out.

  • No we just want to make the playoffs.
    In order to do that, we need to stay healthy.
    In order to stay healthy the FO is being OVERCAUTIOUS with all minor injuries.

  • No we just want to make the playoffs.
    In order to do that, we need to stay healthy.
    In order to stay healthy the FO is being OVERCAUTIOUS with all minor injuries.

  • Gee your a very positive fan, lighten up buddy.

    Kobe is fine, but the FO is being overcautious. No need to worry about Kobe in preseason, he will be ready for the regular season opener which is more important.

  • Gee your a very positive fan, lighten up buddy.

    Kobe is fine, but the FO is being overcautious. No need to worry about Kobe in preseason, he will be ready for the regular season opener which is more important.

  • I thought your name was Al, not Vitti.

    I’ll trust Dr Vitti’s prognosis Al.

  • I thought your name was Al, not Vitti.

    I’ll trust Dr Vitti’s prognosis Al.

  • Do you guys attend every Kobe workout, no.
    Kobes conditioning is tops above most.

    If Kobe says he is in the best shape he has ever been in years, I will take his word over the doubters because Im pretty sure he knows his own body better than anyone else.

  • Do you guys attend every Kobe workout, no.
    Kobes conditioning is tops above most.

    If Kobe says he is in the best shape he has ever been in years, I will take his word over the doubters because Im pretty sure he knows his own body better than anyone else.

  • So how did your theory pan out last year when he sat out the entire year?

    How many games did we win without him…45+?

  • So how did your theory pan out last year when he sat out the entire year?

    How many games did we win without him…45+?

  • This is a PREVENTATIVE measure. Kobe is fine!

    Calm down, take a deep breath everyone!

  • This is a PREVENTATIVE measure. Kobe is fine!

    Calm down, take a deep breath everyone!

  • YES!

    I wish Kobe had gotten a chance to play with Huertas in preseason so that they could get to know each others style of play in live situations instead of just practice in preseason.

  • YES!

    I wish Kobe had gotten a chance to play with Huertas in preseason so that they could get to know each others style of play in live situations instead of just practice in preseason.

  • i like how BS is handling Kobe, and it just goes to show how much better the team is this year that they arent even worried about kobe sitting out

  • i like how BS is handling Kobe, and it just goes to show how much better the team is this year that they arent even worried about kobe sitting out

  • Our opening night starting 5:
    Hibbert-Randle-Kobe-Clarkson-Huertas

    Second unit:
    Black-Bass-Swaggy-Lou-Russell

    Reserves: NanceJr, ABrown, Kelly, MWP, Holmes/Jabari

    Small ball units:
    Randle-NanceJr-Kobe-Clarkson-Russell
    Bass-MWP-Swaggy-Lou-Huertas

    Little disappointed that Upshaw was cut. Our second unit defense will be horrendous. We need to groom Larry Nance as our second unit starter. Nance brings defensive versatility and hustle – something that Black and Bass sorely lack.

  • Our opening night starting 5:
    Hibbert-Randle-Kobe-Clarkson-Huertas

    Second unit:
    Black-Bass-Swaggy-Lou-Russell

    Reserves: NanceJr, ABrown, Kelly, MWP, Holmes/Jabari

    Small ball units:
    Randle-NanceJr-Kobe-Clarkson-Russell
    Bass-MWP-Swaggy-Lou-Huertas

    Little disappointed that Upshaw was cut. Our second unit defense will be horrendous. We need to groom Larry Nance as our second unit starter. Nance brings defensive versatility and hustle – something that Black and Bass sorely lack.

  • If Larry Nance can improve his 3-pt shooting (which he done during the preseason), I would love to see him groomed for that 3 spot.

    Say if Kobe is injured (very likely), we should start:
    Hibbert-Randle-NanceJr-Clarkson-Huertas

  • If Larry Nance can improve his 3-pt shooting (which he has done during the preseason), I would love to see him groomed for that 3 spot.

    Say if Kobe is injured (very likely), we should start:
    Hibbert-Randle-NanceJr-Clarkson-Huertas

  • Dudes playing in the nba so yes he can play,not alot of people can say the same especially some who comments on this site

  • Dudes playing in the nba so yes he can play,not alot of people can say the same especially some who comments on this site

  • Yeah his body is really broken down. He couldn’t even make it into the regular season before getting injured. Hopefully he can finish the season and retire healthy.

  • Yeah his body is really broken down. He couldn’t even make it into the regular season before getting injured. Hopefully he can finish the season and retire healthy.

  • lin is a very good player and not soft b.s. did not like him and did not coach him right.he is more than a marginal player and his defence was ok .

  • lin is a very good player and not soft b.s. did not like him and did not coach him right.he is more than a marginal player and his defence was ok .

  • Sure he can play. Too bad he’s inconsistent and insecure. That really fükks his game up. And even if he rose to a level above Kobe I’d never want to have him back thanks to the pestilence of morons he brings with him. What a shame for a nice guy to have cro magnons following him around…

  • Sure he can play. Too bad he’s inconsistent and insecure. That really fükks his game up. And even if he rose to a level above Kobe I’d never want to have him back thanks to the pestilence of morons he brings with him. What a shame for a nice guy to have cro magnons following him around…

  • But Randle will be at the 4 spot for the next 10 years. This is basically going to be Randle’s team soon. And Randle isn’t big enough to play at the 5. NanceJr is definitely a future starter. That creates a predicament. If Larry can improve his outside shot, watch out. Nance can definitely play the 3. He has shown ability to guard at the perimeter. And in small-ball situations, like vs the Warriors, Randle and Nance can be the front court.

  • But Randle will be at the 4 spot for the next 10 years. This is basically going to be Randle’s team soon. And Randle isn’t big enough to play at the 5. NanceJr is definitely a future starter. That creates a predicament. If Larry can improve his outside shot, watch out. Nance can definitely play the 3. He has shown ability to guard at the perimeter. And in small-ball situations, like vs the Warriors, Randle and Nance can be the front court.

  • Byron Scott doubtful in taking the Lakers to the playoffs for the 2016 season… What the article should say !!!!

  • Byron Scott doubtful in taking the Lakers to the playoffs for the 2016 season… What the article should say !!!!

  • Of course we all know any team is better with Kobe than without him. How much hate, and/or stupidity can one display?

    I like you am a “team” player so we want the “team” to always do well. We don’t throw out the fact that none of Kobe’s team mates have won any significant regular season games? Or the fact that none of Kobe’s team mates have been to a playoff outside of perhaps Hibbert, MWP, and Williams, all veterans.

    I want to see the team play well with and without Kobe. It’s not like when Kobe is sitting out Kobe/ Laker fans should root against the team as Kobe hater/ Laker fans do.

    One of my brothers told me to never stoop down to the haters level.
    He said we have what haters don’t have they need to compensate for that which they don’t have and know they will never get.

    So we should keep supporting the good, fair, and great players. Never hating on any one of them.

    Let the miserable continue to suffer in misery alone, don’t join them.

    Go Lakers !

    Paytc

  • Of course we all know any team is better with Kobe than without him. How much hate, and/or stupidity can one display?

    I like you am a “team” player. So we want the “team” to always do well.

    We don’t throw out the fact that none of Kobe’s team mates have won any significant regular season games? We hope they do !

    Or the fact that none of Kobe’s team mates have been to a playoff outside of perhaps Hibbert, MWP, and Williams, all veterans.

    We want to see the team play well with and without Kobe.

    It’s not like when Kobe is sitting out, Kobe/ Laker fans should root against the team, as Kobe hater/ Laker fans do.

    When the team wins it helps Kobe (the guy who wants to win more than anyone) and the Lakers, stay in position to make the playoffs and a championship run. Kobe is still on the “team” right?

    One of my brothers told me to never stoop down to the haters level. Great advice !

    He said we have what hater’s don’t have. They need to compensate for that which they don’t have and know they will never get. Their miserable. We don’t want to be like them. They want to be like us. One hates what they want, but could never have, or become. That is a hater.

    So we should keep supporting the good, fair, and great players. Never hating on any one of them. Support the young and veteran players. (Good teams have a good mix).

    Win now and win later. As opposed to the pessimist who think we need to only focus on developing young players. And creating a culture and standard permissive to losing. We can develop players and “Win Anyway.”

    Let the ignorant and miserable continue to suffer in misery alone, don’t join them.

    Go Lakers !

    Paytc

  • Kobe is done wether he comes back form this or not, his poor best up body is just broken down form thousands of trips up & down the hard wood. Kobe needs to make this year his swan song & forget this nonsense of one more ring, “it won;’t happen”. The Lakers need rot simply PLAY the kids & hope next season when they have many millions available they can continue their upward movement. They NEED to re-sign Upshaw, trade Kelley, Sacre & Young & play NO ONE other then the Kids. As for the coach, he is old school & maybe it’s time to being in a college coach rathe rather Scott to help the kids learn…

  • Kobe is done wether he comes back form this or not, his poor best up body is just broken down form thousands of trips up & down the hard wood. Kobe needs to make this year his swan song & forget this nonsense of one more ring, “it won;’t happen”. The Lakers need rot simply PLAY the kids & hope next season when they have many millions available they can continue their upward movement. They NEED to re-sign Upshaw, trade Kelley, Sacre & Young & play NO ONE other then the Kids. As for the coach, he is old school & maybe it’s time to being in a college coach rathe rather Scott to help the kids learn…

  • I’m surprised both his ankles aren’t literally broken by now.. he’s terrible.

  • I respect this and i have said the same thing but how far do you let him keep going, If he is still making the same bad coaching decisions involving rotations, substitutions and in game adjustments? We have lost 3 close games that should have been wins in an 11 game span because of things he did or didn’t do as a coach. I don’t mind the losses against teams that are clearly more talented but games that we can win make me mad. So does he stay until ASG, the end of this year, or does he get untill the end of next year when lakers have an option on his contract?

  • Russell has been the weak link in the starting 5 so far. Lakers have no floor General out there which makes everything more difficult. He’s not being aggressive and getting guys the ball where they need it, nor has he figured out how to orchestrate an offense. I understand he has to learn the hard way but they will keep losing every game until he mans up. Stop walking the ball up, push the damn thing and always be in attack mode.

  • I didn’t believe the hype and wanted Okafor. I’m looking objectively at Russell and in doing so I see a kid with potential that’s being handicapped by his HC. The eye test is misleading as his production has him in the top 5 of all rookies. Given we’re almost as bad as the Sixers and have no better PG option on roster, there’s really no reason for Scott not to let Russell sink or swim with full access like Okafor.

  • Move the man to the SG position is my opinion , let JC, which have a season under his belt, play the PG. Didnt JC work with Nash
    ‘. JC is the only one that can penetrate and create for others.

  • You seriously insult gay people that way? I’m a lesbian. Your post is wrong and offensive.

  • The use of the word “Beast” on Randle by his fellow younger teammates during training camp has definitely proven to be premature. He’s got a long ways to go. It seems like he gets his shot blocked 2-3x per game.

  • its his first year. you can see he can play like a beast, but we are talking about a rookie here. He will learn. give him a year or two.. Blake wasnt that good his second year. he just could jump out the building.

  • i dont know what to tell you flag me i guess, i dont care about lesbians(but the hotter the better), g@y men on the other hand is disgusting. just like you have the right to be lesbian i have the right to my thoughts.

  • Ask for the ball?!? What part of Scott not trusting DR with full PG duties don’t you understand? How can he be the floor general when Scott is constantly giving that platform to JC, Kobe and Randle? How can he get past the growing pains if SCott pulls the rug from under him anytime he makes a mistake? Meanwhile Mudiay is allowed to have the highest amount of turnovers of all rookies, and is developing much more rapidly.

  • other teams know he’s going to his left, very easy to defend he needs to work on being more versatile

  • You have to understand Daryl is right. D’angelo isn’t getting consistent minutes. He’s playing like 5 minute stretches like he’s on a minutes restriction. & when he subs he takes out 5 at a time instead of 1 at a time. I bet if D’angelo was the primary ball handler he just assist would sky rocket. But he’s on uber floor with players that rather dribble the shot clock away Instead of shooting it when he gets them open.

  • Huertas wouldn’t be bad on a good team that could help absorb his weaknesses, but when he’s playing on a bad team he adds insult to injury.

  • Don’t you just love that LN filter right now? Seems like hate and bigotry is waaay more acceptable than swearing…

  • He’s gonna have his ups and downs this year so we just gotta roll with it. He needs to get his shot blocked a few times so he can realize he needs to use his off hand and do some fakes and improve that footwork. This is all part of the process but he will have many good games mixed in with some poor ones this year.

  • exactly. If they let him walk wout even getting a trade, ill be piss. but i want him to stay, and become our PG..

  • Right now, that year of studying the game doesn’t look like it’s done much. He looks just as lost as any another rookie out there. And why didn’t he do anything about his right hand during this time? Daym! I want to see him abuse somebody again! <:-)

  • This is the mindset icame into this season with. I know it’s still very early but I don’t see Scott changing his prideful stripes. That being said, I’m ready for change sooner rather than later.

  • true, but at this moment, dont Russ look a little timid? i mean i understand, he is doing everything BScott is asking for him to do, not to mention he is playing behind JC, Kobe and JR. but shooting seems not to be a problem. shouldnt B Scott let him get his feet wet, where hes more comfortable, and thats shooting. except, giving him the keys to the car, teach him a little. idk but im putting it all on BSCOTT. hes the coach.

  • My eye days he’s fine and that he’s being held back by the coaches.
    My eye days he’s playing like an invisible veteran, in that he’s making the right decisions, doing everything right except he’s not adding stats on the box score.

    Maybe this is a scott curse? We saw t he same thing with kelly, ABrown, and randle at times.

  • Mudiay has a year of pro experience under his belt already. He’s further along than Russell right now.

  • two rookies, and a soph player. A legend(GOAT) playing, hopefully his last year. no chemistry what so ever. i dont expect much from our Lakers. i do expect for them to catch on after all star break. lets see what happens.

  • Russell is the 19 year old rookie, right? He has no track record yet like Scott yet you wanna clown? FOH

  • He appears to be ahead. He has more confidence in being a combo guard, but he’s also very turnover prone, make a lot of bad decisions and is playing on the edge of being out of control.

    Mitch got the pick right.

  • scott? lol who on the team listens to scott? i know russell is young and raw thats why all i want to see from him right now is some heart

  • I expect management to fire somebody or else tickets from now and attendance will be an all-time low!

  • I would have more faith in Russell if he we’re out there trying harder and making mistakes.

  • idk about our F.O. . they are not making the right moves. but time will tell.. still early. i just do not have no faith in Mitch or Jim. i dont know. Dr Buss and West would have picked the pick we need. there eye for talent is excellent. i think Jeanie and Magic can get that back. but who knows

  • russell is always hiding in the corners anyway, maybe he should play the 3 lol

  • yeah show some aggression. I dont care if he has 10 turnovers. Play like the play maker and guard with vision we all keep hearing about.

  • stupid mitch cupcake we turned the corner yeah right liar now I can see what he was a former lakers schrub player!

  • lol just had a picture of that lmao .. idk what going on behind close doors.. its to the point i dont think him and Clarkson get along.. idk

  • When he does go right, he goes back and tries to shoot a soft shot with his left. He definitely need to learn how to use his body to shield the defender like Zach Randolph.

  • But Russell can still look to get out on the break. Clarkson does it when he runs the point.

  • Clarkson is aggressive. Goes at it. Russ playing like Emmit Smith last year with Dallas Cowgirls lol

  • Really if he would be aggressive maybe the fans could at least see some flashes of what this kid could be. That the difference between Mudiay and Russell. Mudiay is not afraid to make mistakes.

  • at this moment not Scott BUT, its still early im waiting til all star break to start complaining

  • agreee but he looks too sleepy and no-existent sometimes would not be surprised if ryan west replaces him!

  • Or maybe, Randle needs to move to the other side of the key where he’s not at an immediate disadvantage by being a lefty. But in many systems that would be called a s.f.

  • Houston yanked McHale awfully quick. Scott is losing a locker room fulla rookies tho. He’s being questioned for the same deficiencies he’s been fired for in his other three stints as A HC.

  • Remember , Randle is a year behind schedule. The team’s mantra has always been to let him get comfortable playing his game on the NBA level, and then start to make adjustments. He’s 11 games into his pro career.

  • nance and brown have been solid benchrole players mitch deciding on top draft pick fail no offense to dangelo but I think he was not for this team dont hate the kid justsaying mitch overthought dumbly!

  • That is exactly what I am remembering. The advantage he was supposed to have though was that year of studying the game but I just don’t see any result of that. I still believe he will come around though, but not as quickly as I thought.

    (Gawd daym that LN filter for striking down on the wrong words!!!)

  • No, he should stay at PG…whether it’s with the first team or the second, he should play PG full time. It’s a hard position to learn as it is, no need to complicate thing by teaching him SG too.

  • I think JC is hitting Russ with tough love. Remember JC credited Russ for helping him match his career high. Kobe constantly says Russ gets him the ball in good position to score. I’ll admit Russ can be a bit lackadaisical, there seems to be a disconnect in how he responds to Scott. Not only that, Scott is not willing to let Russ play through mistakes. Kobe has stated several times over he understands Russell’s frustration.

  • Agreed. He’s basically a rookie so being inconsistent is to be expected. I am very happy that he’s shown what he can do once his game fills out. He’s going to be good once he gets a few moves, dev his jumper and right hand, and improves his defense.

  • I’d be in support of that move/experiment especially since he dribbles way too much for a pf imho.

  • Randle is just getting by on his talent and instincts right now.

    He looks like he’s never been taught how to post up. For as big and strong as he is, he should just post up on the low block, take one or two back down dribbles and power up to get fouled or a layup. When rebounding, his first instinct should be to box out anybody on the other team….but nope.

    He plays like a kid on a playground

  • Not a huge Okafor fan myself, but I agree that Russell should be playing more….what do we have to lose at this point?

  • I don’t know about this being a BS issue. If Russell was taking it to the rim aggressively I’d say BS might be the problem even if it was only 1 or 2 a game. He’s taken it to the rim maybe 1 or 2 times the entire season. He can still show something 25 min a night yet he’s always so passive. He’s got to show something first before I believe BS is holding him back.

  • I agree about Scott’s deficiencies, i’m just not a fan of firing him just yet. He should absolutely finish the season and, unless he loses the team or a “no brainer” comes along, should probably finish next year as well. Lakers hold the option after that, so they can simply choose to not exercise it.

  • He has a fairly short standing reach (for a PF) and an explosive first step. The low block is not where he’s going to be most effective. Hopefully his rebounding improves.

  • Russell started the season off making very few mistakes. Scott told him he wanted less mistakes given how Russ played in Summer league.

    Scott flip flops with his message too much.

  • Not true. Scott pulls him because he not trying harder. He’s not applying his game to the offense. He can look to get out on the break more. Like Clarkson does when he runs the point. It will open up passing lanes and he can use that court vision we keep hearing about. He doesn’t have to walk the ball up all the time.

  • It’s too early to say who’s going to be better. Personally I would of liked the more athletic player for defensive reasons.

  • ….in college, his one year off while he was hurt with the Lakers, while he was in high school

  • Agreed — I like Horry’s suggestion of moving him to SF and Nance to PF for stretches…could give him a very favorable matchup.

  • We’ve seen flashes but Scott rarely lets the kid run things enough to see those flashes extended.

  • You have a right to your thoughts but why are you expressing it on a basketball forum? If The Brow came out and was traded to the LAL would you be upset? I sure wouldn’t since I could care less about his sexual orientation and do care about his basketball skills.

  • I haven’t. I mean the kid has a good stroke i’ll give him that. But passing wise and court vision wise. I haven’t seen it. And it was his passing and court vision that got him the 2nd overall pick right? Where is it?

  • Max him? Pretty good bet that somebody will offer him a “poison pill” deal upwards of $18m

  • If Russ has more than three turnovers, Scott will yank him even if he’s playing aggressive. Just think back to last season when Lin was agressive but had a few turnovers? Familiar mind games huh?

  • Who is clowning? You act like the guy is not getting a chance. He is getting over 20 minutes a night to prove what he can do. He is getting every day in practice to prove what he can do. Stop taking up for the guy. If he is great, it will show.

    Just look at Clarkson.

  • I haven’t seen anything that gets me excited about his play. A few solid passes aren’t enough to get me excited.

  • It would be all the same if Scott was letting him play 40 minutes a night and he was messing up. There would be just as many people on here then saying Scott should be fired because he is putting the Lakers future in the hands of a 19 year old that is messing up.

    Scott can’t win.

  • Until they scrap Scott and/or the system, unfortunately Russell will never get true PG duties … in Princeton offense, Wikipedia says positions become less important and on offense there is no point guard, shooting guard, small forward or power forward.

  • Charles Barkley, Elton Brand, Karl Malone, Zach Randolph, and Al Jefferson were effective undersized power forwards that posted up on the low block. There are more that I’m not even mentioning

    He lacks the polish and just doesn’t know how

  • You can’t blame Scott for this kid not playing aggressively. The experts are even questioning Russell aggressiveness. So it not just Byron. But you can put it all on him if you want too.

  • yeahrandle gets a3rdyearextension clarkson woks his but offand deserves a reasonable contract!

  • You want the ball to be equally passed around by every player, yet at the same time you want the ball in Russell’s hands??? Really?

  • The assumption is that if Russell had more opportunity he’d be much more productive. I am not seeing that, sorry. Right now defensive are pretty much ignoring him, if he became the central focus of our offense, he’d become the central focus of the defenses. I have not seen anything that would lead me to believe he’d do well in a situation like that.

  • Don’t be sorry. Daryl is convinced that EVERYBODY is wrong about Russell except he and Russell.

  • Karl ran P&R with stockton, Zach Randolph has a much higher standing reach (they estimate his wingspan at 7’5″), Brand I don’t remember (he was a clipper LOL), and Charles Barkley was a freak. Hard to bet on Randle being a freak too.

    Not that he shouldn’t have a few post moves, but he looks much more comfortable and his skills are bet utilized as a face up player.

  • “a bit lackadaisical” that is inexcusable for the Number 2 overall pick. Russell is not the first rookie to have to work through the growing pains and be frustrated. You point out Kobe and JC, they both went through their share of frustrations. Nobody changed the system for them…they had to work through it. Russell needs to too.

    If he can’t handle this, then he shouldn’t have come out of college early. Nothing is going to be handed to him. He needs to earn it.

  • Either way, his game needs some polish. He’s a one trick pony offensively right now

  • In all fairness, Buss bought the team at the end of a rebuild and, frankly, lucked into Magic and Worthy. Once that core was gone, the Lakers went nearly a decade before another Finals’ appearance.

    These things take time. Sux but it is what it is.

  • I am a fan of Okafor but I understand the critism of him. But if you didn’t like Okafor because of his lack of quickness and are worried about defense. Why did they go with Russell? He’s even slower and an even worse defender.

  • That was what I saw before the season started and it should have happened. The Lakers could have had a starting lineup of Clarkson, Bryant, Randle, Nance and Okafor. Four of those guys would have been the foundation for the next great Lakers’ team.

  • You’ve got to look deeper. Russell is running the offense. He’s not given full ball handling and play calling duties by Scott. Scott has openly admitted this. That in itself shows a lack of trust that leads to the disconnect.Russell has stated on a couple of occasions “we just need to do a better job of trusting each other” that is proven in how we often see the lack of man and ball movement more often than not. This is where Scott must step in and hold everyone accountable instead of defaulting to his usual vets trust mode. Especially when no ones collectively on the same page in trying to get it done.

  • The longer the season goes the less rope i can give Byron. My patience is just wearing thin with him. I didn’t hold last year against him because our team was crap and i wasn’t optimistic this year either but byron makes me want to pull my hair out. There is no reason JC isn’t playing 36 mins a game and either him or russell need to be on the floor at all times. Lou and Huertas should not being running the offense except in a foul troubled pinch.

  • Preach brother! At least Okafor is giving you some scoring with his poor defense. But he’s also getting some block as well tho. I’m an Okafor fan too.

  • Where I never agreed was in making the decision about one compared to the other. In looking at what we had before draft day, it was clear that the biggest issue was that the Lakers had no consistent low post offense. They had nobody that they could throw the ball to in the post and know that he was going to get a basket or get fouled. They had a guy that had played point guard for a portion of the season in JC. Even if he wasn’t the long term solution, he was something.

    Plus, Okafor REALLY wanted to be a Laker.

  • To add to your point Old man Buss also didn’t have to contend with the current CBA he could just go out and spend more than the small market teams.

  • If the Lakers begin to win games and end up with a better record than last year but still miss the playoffs will you still say that Byron should go?

  • Why do we have to look deeper. It should be easy to see great things from Russell. We should be able to watch one game and see enough reason why he was drafted. Instead, we have to analyze stats just to see his worth.

  • Actually Id say our biggest glaring hole coming into the year was defense. We didn’t have trouble scoring last year we just could keep the other team from scoring more. we really needed a rim protector and a lockdown perimeter defender.

  • Dr Buss had a lot of great basketball people in the FO helping make the decisions. Jim Buss fired a lot of people and put friends and family in their place.

  • I don’t understand all of the Jim buss hate his picks on coaches hasn’t been great but other than that idk what he has done specifically that hurt this team that can’t also be blamed on kuptchak

  • BTW in 18 years or so of playing in the NBA, I find it hard to believe that Karl NEVER had a straight post up…..he did.

    I would also argue that Julius is faster up and down the court than Charles ever was. Their physical “freakness” is comparable I think

  • We were not going to fix defense with the lottery pick UNLESS we went with Winslow (which I suggested before the draft). Had the Lakers took the focus of defense this team could have looked much different. The Lakers could have had a lineup of Rondo, Bryant, Winslow, Ed Davis and Hibbert. That is a defensive lineup…but somewhat offensively challenged.

  • Byron has surprised me, and I honestly feel, I will be happy with Byron’s coaching

    Defense has gotten better – still cannot figure out effectively slowing down, penetrating guards. Randle and Russell Defense is exceptionally Horrible – Lazy

    Not sure about the Development of Young players, i.e., Brown to D’League

    When will Upshaw be ready, to help protect the Rim?

  • Then why did they let Wes Johnson and Ed Davis walk? I can see Ed Davis got away from them but letting your best defender go is stupid for a team with defensive issues. Since Lou is then a huge mistake since he provides little in the way of defense.

  • Charles was pretty quick Ron…I’d differ with you there, especially the early Sixers years.

  • yes i do i just don’t see him being the long term answer as coach. If he was the right coach to start with it wouldn’t have taken half a dozen interviews for him to get the job. I think he was always hired as a place holder to appease magic and the rest of the old lakers.

    Let me ask you a question. If we have the worst record in the NBA and lose our pick do you keep scott?

  • Don’t you remember….Both Johnson and Davis got away while the Lakers were trying to get the major free agents. By the time they realized that wasn’t happening, both had signed elsewhere.

  • Julius is looks just as quick (especially with the ball) to me. I don’t think Julius is as good a leaper

  • Jim fired all the guys who worked for his dad. That’s why i dont think Jim is the right guy for the job. However I cant be to mad at every thing he’s done but the D’Antoni hiring was bad. The Mike brown hiring was also bad. I wasn’t happy with the draft pick i wanted Okafor.

  • It’s not about the occasional post up play. It’s how they go out and get their points consistently. For Karl that was out of the P&R and in transition.

    A 6’4″ PF dominating is just unreal. It’s just not something that you can easily duplicate so it’s a bad idea to use him as an example.

  • @lorenzozampighi:disqus @jjlakersfan3977:disqus Im not saying they made the right decision or have shown a clear focus on building this team I was just arguing that a low post scorer wasn’t our biggest issue. We already have kobe who works great out of the post and Randle who initiates in the High Post but needs the paint open to get to his spots.

  • I wanted KAT. Once he was gone, I get going small…just not much too available (not sold on Mudiay yet either).

  • It’s funny because people are upset with Jim for sticking with the past in hiring Scott and paying Kobe, but then they are also upset with him for getting rid of the past in letting Phil go and getting rid of a couple of the other old guard.

    Mike Brown is a solid defensive coach. He had the wrong roster for him…but he did get that team to the post season.

    D’Antoni was actually not a bad idea. It didn’t work but the idea was sound. The reason why it didn’t work was he didn’t complete the plan and get him a roster to fit his system.

  • Davis signed after the first meeting with LMA where it was clear he wasn’t coming to the LAL. The second meeting was such a pity party it was embarrassing. Wes signed a week after that. They had time and if defense was an issue they should of made it a priority to sign them.

  • What kind of symmetrical roles has Scott defined? I see nothing but conflicts of interest. To be fair, the FO is in part to blame in the assembly of this roster. Scott did have say in who was let go and added tho. That said, I charge Scott for the dysfunction in team chemistry. Scott want Russell to be a floor general in running the offense but wants Randle to bring up the ball and take advantage of his ball dominate face up game. Then we have Kobe needing the ball in his ISO pump fake sweet spots, or JC sharing play calling/PG duties with Russ so JC can function in probing the paint. Where does Russell fit in learning how to lead in all of that? How can he aggressively attack the rim when he’s charged with only high post hand offs?

  • If you were to look at actual defensive stats you would see that Okafor is really bad on defense. Also you can have 1 bad defender in your front court and or backcourt at a time and still be competent on defense. The lakers already had a bad defender in randle penciled in their front court.

  • Both Davis and Johnson were gone by the time the Lakers would have wanted to sign them.

    Plus, neither of them showed enough to make the Lakers pay them what they wanted.

  • If “we have Kobe” and Randle initiates in the high post”…why do we have no post game? Our offense was in as much need as the defense. Plus a team that soundly runs their offense inside out, will be better defensively because they control the pace of the game.

    Besides even if they focused on defense and kept Wes or Ed, they still needed to draft somebody and Okafor was the guy.

  • That’s why Randle would not have been the power forward once drafting Okafor.

  • I could, but you would simply disagree and we would still be right where we are now. So…instead, I will just say, let’s agree to disagree.

  • Defense was a big issue last year yet their focus wasn’t signing their best defensive players? Toronto made getting more defense a priority during the offseason and brought in people to accomplish this or FO did not.

    Davis at 7 mil is a good price for a rotation big. Wes Johnson signed for the vet min. I think they were both steals at those prices.

  • You can’t put some of the blame on the FO but then still advocate firing Byron.

  • How can Russell show great things when Scott is not allowing it? Scott is not willing to let him work through growing pains. Too short a leash.

  • i will not argue with you at all I am generally interested in why you think that Scott is the coach for the rest of this year and the next.

  • Jim got rid of a lot more than just Phil. He gutted the FO of a lot of talent and replace it with friends and family. This is one of the beefs between Magic and Jim.

  • JJ i disagree with the D’Antoni take. It was a very bad idea. We had two 7ft skilled post players (howard not so much) with a run and gun coach. Who hates post play. Bad idea.

  • That’s what i was talking about the front office guys. The ones who helped his dad to be successful.

  • You act like Russell cant apply his game to the offense. Why is it that Jordan can do it and be affective as a two guard. But Russell cant do it as a guard. Its not Byron or the offense. It’s Russell approach to the offense. he not applying his game to it like Clarkson does.

  • Russell was aggressive in summer league and Scott beat him up over mistakes. Russell scaled back in cutting down those mistakes but lost aggressiveness in the process as Scott took the ball out of his hand. This is evidenced in how he moved Russ to SG game one of the season and openly admitted he was not letting Russ have major play calling responsibility.

    I could go on in further detail on how Scott is to blame. Don’t get me wrong, Russell needs to be more assertive in spite of Scott but I cannot ignore or pardon the in spite of part. Both JC and Kobe have tried to keep Russ encouraged in saying just stay ready. That’s telling.

  • I’m glad you asked….in fairness, this is hindsight…

    I would have traded Randle on draft day to the Kings, Pistons or Heat in exchange for their lottery pick. Based on who those teams selected, that would mean that the Lakers brought back Cauley-Stein, Johnson or Winslow in return.

    Depending on which one it was would determine the Lakers next move of either signing Rondo or Hibbert. If it was Cauley-Stein, they could have signed Rondo and had this starting lineup…Rondo, Clarkson, Bryant, Okafor and Cauley-Stein. Had they taken Johnson/Winslow, they could have signed Hibbert and had this lineup….Clarkson, Bryant, Johnson/Winslow, Okafor, Hibbert. Either lineup would have been a much more cohesive unit with natural roles instead of what they have now.

  • He’s had plenty of opportunities on straight post ups, isolation plays, jump shots and dribble drives. It doesn’t matter what system you put a guy in, if he can’t finish with his right hand, can’t shoot a jump shot, and doesn’t rebound, he’s gonna be ineffective.

    I’ve watched all the games from beginning to end. He’s inefficient and just doesn’t have the polish to his game right now.

  • You are talking about two different issues. Improving the defense was an issue but it was separate from the draft. If the Lakers were going to address defense with the draft it would have meant Winslow or Cauley-Stein.

  • Buried behind JC, Kobe and Randle all handling the ball more. Also Scott not letting him run the show by design.

  • Also in regards to rebounding, the “system” doesn’t have anything to do with that. It’s all about desire and boxing out.

    Stop blaming Byron for everything. The players play the game.
    Julius could easily have 6-8 more points on put backs alone if he rebounded more

  • LOL….we know you could go on. There is a saying that you might want to think about….”can’t see the forest for the trees.”

  • I agree with the “buried behind” statement. That’s one of the reasons I continue to say it was a bad move selecting him.

    Selecting Russell didn’t fit the roster. Regardless of those that say you draft best available, I still contend you draft what fits and fills needs. The guard position could have easily been improved through free agency. However, big mean are NEVER easy to come by.

  • He can’t when he’s not allowed to. Scott is only giving him limited opportunities to do so. Not sure why you can’t see that?!? Especially when Scott has openly admitted it.

  • Daryl team chemistry has to be built. You just dont get it after 11 games with 9 new guys mostly rookies. Everyone keep preaching give Russell time it’s only 11 games. Well Byron should get that same consideration. Give him time to build the chemistry. give him time to develop the young rookie. Russell has never play an 82 game season. Believe me he going to get all the playing time and then some. More than likely his minutes will increase in the second half like Clarkson’s did last season. Look Byron helped to develop Clarkson as a 46th pick into a starter after one season. And Clarkson didn’t get the early season playing time Russell’s getting. Give him a chance to do the same with Russell.

  • Pau is what made it not fit. Howard could have fit well in his system just like Amare did. They should have traded Pau for a stretch 4 and another wing perimeter shooter. They should have also traded for Lin at that point (can’t believe I said that). The truth is that Lin worked best with D’Antoni.

    Oh, and another note about Brown. Brown got the Lakers to the best record in the Pacific his first year as head coach.

  • What do you mean he’s not allowed too? You mean to tell me if Russell were to get the team out on a fast brake to get the team easy buckets and open the passing lanes. Byron would take him out? No he wouldn’t. What you dont get is Russell has to make his opportunities. Push the ball when you have the opportunity. Byron is not stopping him from doing that. Russell simply not doing it.

  • That Laker team was not a run and gun team. And there were other problems other than Pau’s fit. Remember Howard didn’t like the offense either. He asked the Lakers to hire Phil after the season. They Lakers refused. That’s why he left. The team was an older team that couldn’t have handled that type of pace. That’s how Kobe tore his Achilles.

  • PJ Carlisemo was fired after 10 games in a very similar situation as HC of OKC. Brooks was hired and they kept losing but Scott stuck to grooming the youth. After going 3-29, that patience in the youth began to pay off as they ended the rest of the season strong. The next season they added even more youth and won over 50 games as reward for allowing KD and Westbrook to go though the growing pains.

    Scott is not doing this and is on record saying he’s not willing to.

  • Kobe tore his Achilles playing 40 plus minutes. You missed my point which was that you change the roster to fit the system.

    When the Lakers jumped so soon in firing Brown they had limited options. D’Antoni was by far the best available coach (hasn’t “best available” been what people keep saying). That means if you sign him, you start trading players. Pau could have easily brought back some players that fit the system. They could have signed or traded for others as well.

  • I believe Scott will finish the year anyway. What if Lakers fire Scott and hire a new coach like Tom Thibodeau, but then some hot FAs like Durant asks for a different coach he likes to play for during the summer?
    Because of that, we are stuck with Scott and he is the answer to get Ben Simmons.

  • OKC had no expectations placed on them. The Lakers are not the franchise for rebuilding. Byron can’t afford to do what you suggested. If he did, there would just as many people wanting him fired for doing so.

  • But Brooks was eventually fired too for not getting the team over the hump. Brooks got the benefit of that team coming into their own while on the job. PJ could have just as easily done the same given the time.

  • No Simmons…build with what you have.

    You do make a valid but sad point. Players should not be dictating who the coach is.

  • LOL what does “grooming” mean!? Just let them play the whole game, make mistakes, and lose?!

    In any walk of life when you make mistakes, to move forward you have to correct that. As of now, Russell and Randle are making mistakes on both ends of the floor and Byron is correcting their mistakes by not giving them all the minutes.

    You use OKC as an example…how many championships do they have? Kobe had to earn his minutes early in his career and has 5 chips.

  • Clarkson has been playing well, but we need more from him. He needs to shoot like 20 times a game.

  • JJ your my boy and most times we agree. But Phil was the best available. Given the two 7ft on the roster and the triangle as a proven system. Versus D’Antoni system that Howard nor Pau would be affective in. Not to mention D’Antoni system was as proven as the triangle.

  • Keep in mind I wanted Okafor. I’m just looking at how Russell is being used by Scott.

  • Because he playing fantasy Basket ball and not allowing basket ball people help him make the decisions. One of the guys he hired has no basket experience on any level. Just a bar stood buddy. Look it up.

  • I see the whole forest…the good trees and the bad. You don’t see me focusing on one player.

  • I want Russell to be freed. Mistakes or not. It’s not about passed around equally.

  • But you can’t blame Scott because of a problem he didn’t create. Did you notice how Russell’s most productive games were Randle’s weakest and also Kobe wasn’t playing? In fact, Clarkson had problems in one of them as well. Russell is the piece that needs to be let go.

  • Phil would have been the best available, I agree. But for how long? And how bad would it have looked for the team to go to Phil a third time?

  • See, this is a perfect example of why Byron’s job is so tough. You don’t want equal sharing of the ball. Others do claiming that the GSW system or the Spurs system is best. Byron can’t win if he tries to please people. No coach can.

  • Does it matter for how long? Had we had Phil Howard might have stayed as well as Gasol. Taking a coach back who won you 5 titles in 10 years for a third time. I dare anyone to call that a bad move.

  • First, it gives Phil too much power. Second, I don’t think Howard is a winner. Third, Pau no longer played well for the Lakers. Fourth, if what everybody has said is true, the NBA has changed and the Triangle no longer works.

  • Yes, he does. And I see at least two reasons for that:

    1) firing BS would add up to the general chaos. And you don’t want that when you’re on rebuilding mode with so many young players to develop, do you? With that said, I’d like him out as soon as next summer.

    2) like elite players, premier coaches would not want to join the Lakers now…

  • Phil stated he wasn’t asking for any type of additional power with the team. Can’t argue the Howard and winner thing. But we would be a better team with him. Pau still puts up great numbers for the bulls. Phils Ny triangle and his 4th overall pick look a whole lot better than what we have. I’m just sayin.

  • Sometimes I wish BS would unleash the young dude and sometimes I’ve got the feeling that Russel himself is indeed too focused on playing mistakes-free basketball.

    With that said, assessing Russel at this stage of his career is plain stupid. He might very well be a bust but we won’t know until at least two to three years from now.

  • They do, and all that you said is true, but to me it just seemed like a quick fix but not a long term solution. The same way we are seeing Kobe not handle B2B and miss multiple games, Phil may have done the same with his bad back. Phil was not the future, and in some ways, a D’Antoni-type coach is.

    I wasn’t in favor of D’Antoni either in the moment, but in hindsight I have changed. In fairness, how would his best Phoenix teams that had guys like Joe Johnson, Barbosa, and Diaw have fared in today’s NBA?

  • That’s why i would have never let his presence be a reason for not getting Okafor. It is said that the Lakers didn’t get Okafor because of the prospect of putting him with Randle on the defensive end. Well, why couldn’t they have just traded Randle?

  • He fired more or less everyone in the scouting department. One of the guys he fired was Ronnie Lester, the lead scout with 25 years experience. He is the guy credited with finding Bynum. One of the guys he hired to fill in the scouting department was Charles Osbourne. Apparently “Chaz” qualifications included being a drinking buddy to Jim and being a “great bartender” with no basketball experience.

  • Have the Lakers done a poor job scouting talent since these changes? Is talent scouting the real issue?

    The issue has been the timing of their decisions…not the decisions themselves.

  • I hear ya. And the more they try to prove that they are, the worse it gets.

  • Name one guy they drafted since Kobe that has impacted the team. Bynum is the only one I can really think of till Clarkson.

  • A lot of little decisions that have slowing made the LAL worse. When Jim took over LAL were a WCF team. Now we are a perennial 20 win team. It’s just not a coincidence.

  • A whole lot happened that was outside of his control during that time. How different would this team have been without the injuries?

  • You do realize that by your own statement it would mean that the scouting prior to Jim’s changes was bad as well?

  • You’re right it would have been another quick fix that may have only delivered one more championship if any if you factor in Kobe’s injuries. But even if Phil move into a front office role after coaching one last season with the Lakers. Again we would have the guy who had the vision to take

    Kristaps Porzingis. When everyone was talking about Okafor Towns Russell and Mudiay. Now granted he never had the chance to take Okafor Towns or Russell. But remember Mudiay was considered a #1 overall coming out of high school. His stock fell a bit when he skipped college to play in China. But no one would have booed had he took Mudiay at 4 like they did Porzingis. Once again Jim missed an opportunity to bring in a great basket ball mind to help him.

  • Firing the scouting department was within his control. Not bringing in analytics (and looking dumb for this) was within his control. Bickering with Jeanie during FA was within his control. Letting go of Dwight and Pau without getting anything back was within his control. Trading for a 38 year old point guard was within his control.

    I can see failing to win a championship due to injury as bad luck. Turning a championship team into a consistent 20 win team is not bad luck.

  • So he’s solution is to fire absolutely everyone and hire his drinking buddy? That’s going to work out great! Let’s not even try to be competent when we can fail and be wasted!

  • First off, the scouting department and analytics are subject areas for this discussion. Not knowing the inner workings of the team, I’m not about to comment either way. Houston is all about analytics and they just fired their coach and have started off poorly.

    The bickering between Jeanie and Jim really seemed to be more media hype than actual reality. If it was really as bad as stated, Jim would already be moved.

    The Lakers knew when they traded for Dwight that he could walk for nothing. There was nothing Jim could do about it. I honestly think the bad decision was in getting him in the first place.

    At the point that they would have traded Pau he had no trade value. The Lakers actually did offer him a salary to stay which he declined.

    2 seasons of 20 wins is still just two seasons. You can’t place the “consistent” tag on something after only 2 seasons.

  • Scouting is not the issue unless it was the scouts who advocated for Russell. I think that decision was more about direction for the team.

  • Everything is subjective so we might as well stop talking about this team altogether if that’s your feelings.

    And it’s soon to be 3 seasons.

  • JC was allowed full access only after injury and Lin not being in favor with Scott. No comparison in how they’re being brought along.

  • The issue is direction of the team but how can we have direction when our FO isn’t competent and lacks vision? This is to me the root problem of which BS is just a symptom.

  • LOL…do you think Phil would have taken Porzingis with the 1-3 pick? He took him by default and it looks like a great move in hindsight. Miami took Wade in their draft class, but do you think they would have taken him had they of had Cleveland’s or Denver’s picks? They would have taken Lebron or Carmelo. So don’t go giving Phil so much credit for that one.

    If Phil is the only basketball mind we can get, that says a lot about the NBA.

  • He had a vision when he brought in D’Antoni. He saw the Warriors. He just didn’t finish the job by bringing in the right personnel.

  • Numbers don’t lie but eyes will. Especially when Winslow is getting more MPG and isaallowed more freedoms.

    I’m not saying Russell is a better player, but Russell is in fact doing more with less.

  • Russell isn’t allowed to take risks, the dude has no leash to work with. With that kind of environment is it any surprise he plays timid? Put him on the Nuggets instead and give him a green light and I bet you’d see more of the assertive scorer that led Ohio State last year.

  • IDK…..before Jimmy Hat purged the scouting department, they were drafting guys like Toney Douglas and Chinemelu Elonu. Now they’re getting guys like Clarkson and Nance. Coincidence?

  • Dude’s been shooting 50%, if I want anyone shooting on the team I want it to be him.

  • IDK who he would have taken at #2. But Mudiay and Winslow we’re considered better picks by the draft. There were a lot of concerns regarding Porzingis. He ignored them and took him at 4 anyway. I wouldn’t say he took him by default. Knicks were expected to take Mudiay or Winslow. Phil had the vision to take Pozingis who’s looking like the steal of the draft. Phil is looking like a genus right now. So if he was the only Basket ball mind we can get. We might be looking a whole lot better than you do. With Russell under preforming at #2 overall.

  • Not allowed to take risk? He doesn’t take risk. He can get the team out on the fast break when the opportunities are there. Clarkson does it when running the point. And he’s a two guard.

  • I hear you, but I don’t think his offensive game has evolved enough for that kind of workload.

  • Lakers draft picks weren’t as high back then either. Most times we we’re picking in the 20’s. Or second round

  • You choose not to focus on all I’ve said. I speak on all players and the coach. Russell is the scapegoat. I’ve even detailed how each players style affects the other that’s where a coach should step in and get everyone on the same page. Scott is and has failed at that.

  • “Lakers starters played 14 minutes together vs. the Suns, had an OEff of 123.9 & a DEff of 95.7. Played zero 4th quarter minutes together.

    — Darius Soriano (@forumbluegold)November 17, 2015

    So Scott played an exclusively veteran lineup (other than Nance, Jr.) while his young core of Jordan Clarkson,D’Angelo Russell, and Julius Randle sat on the bench with Roy Hibbert (his best defender) while his team was competing in another winnable game. The lineup Scott chose was predictably horrible defensibly while the young pieces of the Lakers’ future missed out on valuable development time, and then he decided to call out his team for their lack of “manhood” after the game.”

    This is what I’m talking about when I say look deeper. Russell is the main starter who sits in the 4th quarters. More often than not we’ve been more efficient when he’s been on the floor with the starters yet Scott chooses to sit Russell for Williams? And when he does play Russell in the 4th he sits Clarkson for Williams.

  • That’s not a Ford thing. Every other lottery pick is getting 30+ minutes & they get in rhythm. D’angelo isn’t even playing in a system that fits his style. Scott’s doesn’t even have a system or coaching staff

  • I see you played the old switcheroo on me. You mentioned KAT, Okafor and Russell in the first post but switched to Winslow and Mudiay in the second post. Well played! Clearly there is a big difference.

  • the issue is that russ is by far the worst starter on the team. the only player that gets major pt that as been hurting the lakers more then russ is lou and lou is hurt.

    atm russ is nothing but empty stats

  • issue is russ is shooting 32% from open threes and 26% from contested threes.

    hes not playing like a sg either

  • BS. Russell needs to man up. Simple as that. He’s playing with the big boys now and excuses get you nowhere.

  • I mention Towns because he was the most talked about rookie along with Okafor and Russell. But with the 4th pick Phil didn’t have a chance at them. I brought up Mudiay and Winslow because those we’re the two most talented and still available when the Knicks took the 4th pick.

  • Oh and my second to last line in that post was a typo. I meant to say We might look a whole lot better than we do now. My bad.

  • That’s my point. Forget the excuses and play your game. If you have great court vision and passing skills. You should be looking to get out on the break. Apply what you do best to the offense.

  • For the record I don’t see Russell making excuses. I haven’t seen a single interview from the guy complaining.

  • Dude will you stop with the development time argument. Do you know there are still 71 games left to be played. Guys will get their development time and then some. Russell was getting killed defensively that why he was sitting in the 4th. He made be a starter on a bad team but that doesn’t mean he should get 4th qtr minutes. Especially if he cant stay in front of anybody.

  • No he not making excuses, i’ll give you that. But everyone else is coming with the excuses. He just need to go out and play his game.

  • I can see you not paying attention. In no way am I saying Russell is great defensively but you saying he’s sitting due to poor defense is a lazy answer or you don’t want to accept how bad everyone on this team is defensively.

    You just skipped over the indisputable facts that I laid out showing that the team is actually better defensively when all the starters play together. Russell is one of those starters.

  • How much more chaos could we really fall into given how much we are losing right now? Who knows, a new voice could galvanize this group as I truly believe they could be a few games better than they are.

    TBH, the only thing Scott seems to be doing is manage the Kobe farewell tour. And he bout to mess that up playing Kobe over 35 MPG.

  • But like Scott, PJ was alienating the youth in favor of vets. That’s why he was canned. Scott lost his gig with Cleveland for similar reasons n

  • I agree Daryl. Its a pity we have a childish coach that can’t seem to properly manage young talent and the whole team for that matter. Truly going to be a long season.

  • Randle has been really bad lately. I’d say worse the Russ the last few games.

  • that true but i also think russ needs to play better and be more fired up but i just dont see it i thought it was byron at first but saw him go 0-7 last game, hes had enough min to show something and showed he shouldve stayed one more year.

  • the last few games i would agree but on the season the worst players have been lou, russ, bass, kelly, and hurtez

  • Russell was the biggest mistake in the draft. He is nor very assured of his skills in the NBA. Looks like a second rounder at best. What a dismal organization the Lakers have become.

  • Defense is in fact bad. Scott is surprising in that he is so much worse than expected.

  • You must be related to the organization with that bunch of excuse. It is garbage to get nothing for Howard or Pau, knowing they weren’t going to resign…while crippling your team with the Kobe contract.

  • Actually what has been proven is that he can go either way…NBA Finals or NBA Lottery. You can’t claim that a guy can’t coach that has had success.

  • They could end up with Simmons but that should not be a part of the plan because it is so uncertain. They should be looking at what they are going to do based on what they have today.

  • I understand why you brought them up, but in bringing them up, you indicated that Phil chose Porzingis over them, which just isn’t true. Porzingis was the best available at the pick he took him. He has high potential but was/is also still an unknown as to what he will be over time.

    You can’t act like Phil took such a huge leap. A leap would have been with the Lakers or Sixers taking him.

  • You make it sound like it was easy to get something for either of them. Both were unrestricted free agents….last time I checked…that means that they could walk. The Kobe signing was an unrelated action. I doubt they would have paid him that amount had they thought that he would have the string of injuries that he did.

    Yes these are excuses…but they are also the truth. Sometimes they can actually be one in the same.

  • I have seen everything you posted. You do talk about other things, but none of them in the way you defend Russell. Your main focus just seems to be Russell, and you take offense when anyone else doesn’t agree with that opinion.

  • The issue is direction. I think there is not one clear direction because you have so many factions in the FO. Since Dr. Buss took ill, there has been multiple people trying to make the decisions. That never works. Even if Jim makes mistakes, it would at least be good to have one person making the decisions. Right now, he is just one voice and clearly he has his sister and others also trying to impact the decisions. It’s messing things up.

  • Regardless of the reason, Clarkson had to wait for his turn. Russell has started since game 1. He has played over 20 minutes a night, and has played in the fourth quarter of all but 4 games of the 11 played so far. Yet he has constantly complained about wanting more time instead of maximizing the time that he has been given.

  • Fire off he didn’t fire everybody. Second he hired one friend who happens to be a drinking buddy. The way you said it makes it sound much worse than it is.

    In corporate America people hire their friends all the time qualified or not…it happens.

  • Actually Russell has made excuses. There is an article in the daily news from a couple days ago where he did just that.

  • Right now that’s how it looks. The Lakers should have taken Okafor.

  • Make it easy! This is what ownership and management is in this for. They do nothing but get paid millions to have discussion, examine the situation and get to know their personnel. They are experts with all the ammunition to predict just what their personnel are thinking and going to do. They are not just sitting there like you and I with information from the paper and blogs. Saying they could not get anything for Gasol or Howard is ridiculous. It’s their job man. There is no doubt they could have received at a minimum draft picks for sure. The Lakers have become more of a public trust over the years and we deserve more than Seat of the Pants thinking. This shouldn’t be a situation where they get emotional and overpay a Kobe that buries the franchise.

  • LOL, you make it sound like every idea can easily be implemented. The Lakers want to do something and “poof” they can make it happen! I wish that were possible, but in the real world there are way more deals that don’t work out than that do.

  • So because I have a specific conversation about Russell I’m out of balance? Really? I have specific debate where the focus is Kobe, I have specific debates where the focus is Scott, NIck Young, Lin, Metta, the FO, ETC…

  • The solution to this team is to play Nance, Clarkson, Russell 30-35 minutes per game. Bring up Upshaw for God’s sake! Then dump that pompus Scott and let the assistants take over. Go ahead and suffer through the consequences but at least know by mid season or so how good these guys really are. Build on these guys, just take a clue from Boston who are slowly getting it together with youth. There’s nothing to lose as they will not finish bottom 3 and keep their draft pick. Messing around with Metta and the rest of this rag tag team is not going to do anything. I mean Huertas (LOL), Williams and Young (GAG), Bass and Black (really these guys aren’t DLeague), Sacre, Kelly (HUH!). Just a wacky situation here. The season is already a bust.

  • Look, many commentators in the business are are saying the same things. LA is getting nothing for their assets. It is easy when you have the facts. Don’t you think you would know your guys and what they are going to do. Why not ask the simple question and explain. This is a business decision and we need to know what you are going to do. If not with us then we need a trade for future value. This CLEARLY was not done. Instead they put up a billboard to keep the GUY and that’s what a joke the Lakers are today.

  • Come on man. You don’t think that you spend way more time talking about Russell than you do anything else? You don’t think that any comment you make about Russell is always slanted in defense of him?

    If you don’t think so, I can’t change your opinion of that. Keep in mind, I’m not saying you don’t have the prerogative to focus however, you choose. I was saying be upfront that this is what you are doing.

  • Still, the reality is, we have no clue what the Lakers activities were in trying to work out something and how it all went down. It is easy to speculate and pass judgement based on that speculation.

  • You are just sayin my idea is not good, I get it. Stay the course then and sit back and watch this mess of a season. You apparently think all is going to work out. Are you related to BS or know him?

  • Yes, Byron is my first cousin which is why I am saying everything that I am saying. I have no basketball sense and am only a relative trying to help out my favorite cousin. How did you figure that out??? You are obviously so much smarter than I am. Thank you for showing me the error of my ways. I appreciate it and will always be indebted to you for bringing me to my senses. Thanks!

  • That would be like saying circumstantial evidence is not allowed in a court of law. You’ve probably heard, If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, It’s a Duck.

  • You’ve probably heard…there’s an idiot born every minute….I’ll let you marinate on that one.

  • Sorry to bother you. It was a figure of speech not a real question. You are positive for LA and they like and need you in their corner right now. Yet change all starts with public pressure then empty seats to right the ship. LA is the worst they have ever been and they don’t seem to know why. I can only imagine the Laker royalty of Kareem, Magic, Worthy , West, Baylor an too many more are embarrassed by this management and ownership. Phil is probably feeling very sorry for Jeanie right now.

  • They went for the player that everybody said had the biggest upside. Part of me understands that. However, I would have gone for what fits with the make-up of the team from the standpoint of personnel, coaching staff, and future prospects.

    Given the fact that they already knew that they are not likely to get their draft pick next year, they should have gone with more of a safe choice this year. So you miss out on a guy that could be great. At least you get a guy that is a piece for the future. Okafor, Porzingis and Mudiay are all that. None of them may project Russell’s upside, but they do all look like solid pieces for the future.

  • I think you need to dial it down a little. Every team goes through rough stretches. This period should hopefully teach the fan base a lesson so that when the Lakers are back on top again, the fan base won’t treat every other fan base as poorly as it has in the past.

  • A rough stretch would be nothing similar to this which is the worst in history. I remember the Van Excel Days and that was OK. Even the days just before Gasol arrived with Smush Parker. Other 70s with the Dantley years as well. And 60s losing to Boston all the time. They always battled with some sense of direction. Never was there the feeling that the Lakers were this out of control and making such bad decisions. It’s just sad to see what Jeanie Buss is doing to this organization. Kobe 25mil and Jimmy. Not hiring Phil, alienating Magic. Seriously, Dial it down? Not sure how we treated other fan bases as well. Other fan bases….They are the ones who have the only negative chant “Beat LA”. Never heard that for any other team except LA.

  • No that’s not a commonly attributed quote. It’s not personal here yet you have awkwardly used and fragmented some form of expression to diss me. I think you are twisting an old PT Barnum quote “there’s a Sucker born every minute”.

  • Russell is the subject of current talk. When Kobe is that’s where I’ll focus. When we were talking Upshaw, Metta vs Jabari, Clarkson and Lin last season, ETC… I stay on the person of focus with my perspective, period.

  • Jordan was ball hog as was Kobe and so is Steph Curry. When you have the ability to make the shots, you can do that.

    It’s funny when a guy can make shots and the team looks for him to do that (score points), he’s deemed a “ball hog”. When a guy is known as a defender and his team needs him to do that, he’s unselfish.

    If you can score and the team needs you to score, you’re doing your job. Not being a ball hog.

  • I think Randle is going to be a special more dynamic player than Okafor. He just needs to get in the gym and refine his game.

    Okafor will improve slightly, but I don’t see him being much better than Al Jefferson.

  • LOL….I love how guys continue to have low expectations for Okafor. I guess we will see.

  • I agree…however, most are inconsistent with how they view this argument.

  • That’s just it. I see most people making the current talk about the TEAM. You see the current talk as being Russell.

  • SMH you can’t talk about the Lakers without someone saying something about Russell. Get real.

  • This topic concerning how you choose to talk about Russell has gone on longer than it should have. I apologize for carrying it on so long. You are clearly free to choose whatever topics you want to discuss. It is not place or anyone else’s on here to tell you otherwise. Once again, I apologize.

  • I am particularly bummed about Huertas. Still, all our long shots can’t finish in the money.
    Maybe it is the excuse we need to slide Kobe back to guard and start Nance or Young at the 3. The starters are desperate for a sharp-shooter in the corner.

  • Scott is not the right coach. Time to bring in a coach who like coaching a young team. I think the season is gone, just play the young players 30-35 mins a game. I really think there are coaches that can use Clarkson, Randle and DLO skillset much better.

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